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		<title>By: wheelman</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>wheelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online journalism has taken on a political agenda nowadays.</description>
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		<title>By: Pablothehat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablothehat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike mainstream journalism, which produces a time-bound product that seeks to be definitive, or at least a ‘first draft of history’, the products of blogging and other forms of new media journalism are forever unfinished: open to comments, rewrites, updates and, in the case of wikis, editing and redrafting by users themselves.

Exactly as demonstrated here, over a year since it&#039;s original posting this article has drawn me to comment, largely because of recent comments made by UK MP Hazel Blears regarding Political Blogs.

Mainstream media and political organisations fear the unregulated nature of blogging and will seek to redress the balance. Look at Australia plans for net censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike mainstream journalism, which produces a time-bound product that seeks to be definitive, or at least a ‘first draft of history’, the products of blogging and other forms of new media journalism are forever unfinished: open to comments, rewrites, updates and, in the case of wikis, editing and redrafting by users themselves.</p>
<p>Exactly as demonstrated here, over a year since it&#8217;s original posting this article has drawn me to comment, largely because of recent comments made by UK MP Hazel Blears regarding Political Blogs.</p>
<p>Mainstream media and political organisations fear the unregulated nature of blogging and will seek to redress the balance. Look at Australia plans for net censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: krissnp</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3195</link>
		<dc:creator>krissnp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is always time and resources for checking facts behind the less than professional reporting of blogs, particularly about the issues of importance that the professional, organised, mainstream media ignores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is always time and resources for checking facts behind the less than professional reporting of blogs, particularly about the issues of importance that the professional, organised, mainstream media ignores.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr John Cokley</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr John Cokley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers are audience members who have decided to step into the ring. Employed journalists who object to this (by &quot;object&quot;, I mean deride, complain about, damn with faint praise, etc, and find holes in but ignore similar holes in Big Media) will find themselves &quot;competed out&quot; of the ring when it comes to audiences and revenue streams.

Our customers can clearly see the disdain and contempt in which providers such as “mainstream Fourth Estate” journalists hold them but they don&#039;t have to put up with it any more.

Bloggers (and other citizen journalists) are increasingly being portrayed as “the negative other” by employed journalists … who have a long and not very pretty reputation of negatively describing other segments of society which threaten them (other races, women, ‘poor people’, ‘foreigners’ etc) and this is just the latest incarnation of a massive problem in the journalism profession … unreflective and unprofessional threatened behaviour.

Bloggers as a group have reached the stage of proficiency, know-what, know-why and know-how that they are in a position to compete for eyes and cash with employed journalists working for “mainstream” media.

This is intensely exciting and reassuring for someone like me, who aims to form and graduate journalists of all kinds for the future, but not the many lazy, call-centre-style journalists who seem to populate modern newsrooms of the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers are audience members who have decided to step into the ring. Employed journalists who object to this (by &#8220;object&#8221;, I mean deride, complain about, damn with faint praise, etc, and find holes in but ignore similar holes in Big Media) will find themselves &#8220;competed out&#8221; of the ring when it comes to audiences and revenue streams.</p>
<p>Our customers can clearly see the disdain and contempt in which providers such as “mainstream Fourth Estate” journalists hold them but they don&#8217;t have to put up with it any more.</p>
<p>Bloggers (and other citizen journalists) are increasingly being portrayed as “the negative other” by employed journalists … who have a long and not very pretty reputation of negatively describing other segments of society which threaten them (other races, women, ‘poor people’, ‘foreigners’ etc) and this is just the latest incarnation of a massive problem in the journalism profession … unreflective and unprofessional threatened behaviour.</p>
<p>Bloggers as a group have reached the stage of proficiency, know-what, know-why and know-how that they are in a position to compete for eyes and cash with employed journalists working for “mainstream” media.</p>
<p>This is intensely exciting and reassuring for someone like me, who aims to form and graduate journalists of all kinds for the future, but not the many lazy, call-centre-style journalists who seem to populate modern newsrooms of the present.</p>
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		<title>By: ralebona ntsepeng lennox</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralebona ntsepeng lennox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>keep up the good work of encouraging them. tell them what to do and how to protect the nation as journalists with visions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keep up the good work of encouraging them. tell them what to do and how to protect the nation as journalists with visions</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs and Investigative Journalism: sourcing material &#171; Online Journalism Blog</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3191</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogs and Investigative Journalism: sourcing material &#171; Online Journalism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 26, 2007   The third part of this draft book chapter (read part one here and part two here) looks at how blogs have changed the sourcing practices of journalists - in particular the rise of [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 26, 2007   The third part of this draft book chapter (read part one here and part two here) looks at how blogs have changed the sourcing practices of journalists &#8211; in particular the rise of [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Blogs and investigative journalism: publishing &#171; Online Journalism Blog</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogs and investigative journalism: publishing &#171; Online Journalism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] permanence over time, limitless space, and digital distribution systems (part one is here; part two here; part three here) . I would welcome any corrections, extra information or [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] permanence over time, limitless space, and digital distribution systems (part one is here; part two here; part three here) . I would welcome any corrections, extra information or [...] </p>
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		<title>By: paulbradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3189</link>
		<dc:creator>paulbradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A valid point which I had strangely omitted. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A valid point which I had strangely omitted. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/24/blogs-and-investigative-journalism-the-amateur-professional-debate/#comment-3199</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a journalist of 17 years and a blogger for much less time, my feelings towards the &#039;professional v amateur&#039; debate have been coloured by the issue of media law - and that *some* bloggers do not take on board the principles behind libel and contempt of court. This position may be deliberate in some cases but where it is based in ignorance, for me, that is where the &#039;amateur&#039; tag stems from.

An individual reporter or feature writer may have gaps in their knowledge but can (hopefully, on a good day) rely on subs/a newsdesk to plug them before publication.

Also, while in many blogs the story can be told brilliantly despite errors in spelling and grammar, in many others,  they really do get in the way, imho. I also think there is a blurring of the lines as blogging becomes so much more commercialised and large blogging companies pay aspiring &#039;professionals&#039; a pittance and posts remain unchecked for troublesome mistakes.

An area where blogging by &#039;amateurs&#039; has made a real impact on the profession of journalism is in arts criticism as journalists working in this field adapt to keep up with the times, I&#039;ve just written about this for PG.

Isn&#039;t there a huge problem with printing then checking after? If something is wrong (ie untrue) isn&#039;t it too late to take back? Having a conversation is great, having one based on half truths or inaccuracies may not be so great, and isn&#039;t it this that the &#039;professionals&#039; are trying to avoid? That&#039;s when they&#039;re not cutting and pasting from the wiki of course.


All best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a journalist of 17 years and a blogger for much less time, my feelings towards the &#8216;professional v amateur&#8217; debate have been coloured by the issue of media law &#8211; and that *some* bloggers do not take on board the principles behind libel and contempt of court. This position may be deliberate in some cases but where it is based in ignorance, for me, that is where the &#8216;amateur&#8217; tag stems from.</p>
<p>An individual reporter or feature writer may have gaps in their knowledge but can (hopefully, on a good day) rely on subs/a newsdesk to plug them before publication.</p>
<p>Also, while in many blogs the story can be told brilliantly despite errors in spelling and grammar, in many others,  they really do get in the way, imho. I also think there is a blurring of the lines as blogging becomes so much more commercialised and large blogging companies pay aspiring &#8216;professionals&#8217; a pittance and posts remain unchecked for troublesome mistakes.</p>
<p>An area where blogging by &#8216;amateurs&#8217; has made a real impact on the profession of journalism is in arts criticism as journalists working in this field adapt to keep up with the times, I&#8217;ve just written about this for PG.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there a huge problem with printing then checking after? If something is wrong (ie untrue) isn&#8217;t it too late to take back? Having a conversation is great, having one based on half truths or inaccuracies may not be so great, and isn&#8217;t it this that the &#8216;professionals&#8217; are trying to avoid? That&#8217;s when they&#8217;re not cutting and pasting from the wiki of course.</p>
<p>All best.</p>
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		<title>By: Divinyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divinyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff, and a fascinating subject in general.

With so many blogs out there, it is inevitable that there will be dross, that there will be factually incorrect pieces, strong opinions etc. But there&#039;s also a great deal of information that has gone on to inform the popular press, as well as the other way round.

Look to how many newspapers (particuarly the &#039;Sundays&#039;) now contain pieces on blogs of note, look to blog material being used to inform television programmes (I think specifically of Belle du Jour), and also how the non-professional, in these days of camera phones and so on, is now contributing to the media in his own right. Many of the images of the London bombings used in the mainstream media were taken by amateurs.

As for writing for profit...I think a lot of bloggers would be damned lucky! Not as easy as it may sound, with so many people out there!

A subject that fascinates me...I&#039;m off to have a nose around the rest of the pages here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff, and a fascinating subject in general.</p>
<p>With so many blogs out there, it is inevitable that there will be dross, that there will be factually incorrect pieces, strong opinions etc. But there&#8217;s also a great deal of information that has gone on to inform the popular press, as well as the other way round.</p>
<p>Look to how many newspapers (particuarly the &#8216;Sundays&#8217;) now contain pieces on blogs of note, look to blog material being used to inform television programmes (I think specifically of Belle du Jour), and also how the non-professional, in these days of camera phones and so on, is now contributing to the media in his own right. Many of the images of the London bombings used in the mainstream media were taken by amateurs.</p>
<p>As for writing for profit&#8230;I think a lot of bloggers would be damned lucky! Not as easy as it may sound, with so many people out there!</p>
<p>A subject that fascinates me&#8230;I&#8217;m off to have a nose around the rest of the pages here!</p>
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