Comments on: The NUJ fuss – now I’m spitting http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/ This is a conversation. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:20:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: An open letter to Roy Greenslade: Why I’m not leaving the NUJ « Online Journalism Blog http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/comment-page-1/#comment-1280 An open letter to Roy Greenslade: Why I’m not leaving the NUJ « Online Journalism Blog Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:15:04 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/#comment-1280 [...] I don’t agree with everything the union does, but I do agree with its broad principles. And if the NUJ is sounding protectionist or Luddite, then I’d rather engage with it - as Neil McIntosh has done with his five things the NUJ could do to get more clued-up - and join the conversation, than leave the room to those who think the web is a “problem”. [...] [...] I don’t agree with everything the union does, but I do agree with its broad principles. And if the NUJ is sounding protectionist or Luddite, then I’d rather engage with it – as Neil McIntosh has done with his five things the NUJ could do to get more clued-up - and join the conversation, than leave the room to those who think the web is a “problem”. [...]

]]> By: Donnacha DeLong http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/comment-page-1/#comment-1279 Donnacha DeLong Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:56:28 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/#comment-1279 Restatement of our position is coming in the Multimedia Report (the Code itself will be an appendix), so hopefully... Restatement of our position is coming in the Multimedia Report (the Code itself will be an appendix), so hopefully…

]]> By: paulbradshaw http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/comment-page-1/#comment-1278 paulbradshaw Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:57:09 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/#comment-1278 Thanks - perhaps I'm calling on the union to do it again, then - but communicate it better. And I did post it to the list - I'm not sure why it didn't go through. Have tried again. If that doesn't work, please feel free to post on my behalf. Thanks – perhaps I’m calling on the union to do it again, then – but communicate it better.
And I did post it to the list – I’m not sure why it didn’t go through. Have tried again. If that doesn’t work, please feel free to post on my behalf.

]]> By: Donnacha DeLong http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/comment-page-1/#comment-1281 Donnacha DeLong Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:23:59 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/#comment-1281 Hi Paul, Thanks for pointing out what my argument wasn't. In fact, in my article I wrote: "The Internet has always contained the potential to change the media. The ability to challenge authority, to provide an alternative narrative and to present a variety of points of view is what the Internet provides. But the idea that, instead of posting comments below a journalistic article, we get rid of the article altogether and just have the comments is truly dangerous." All the critics have focussed on the last line and ignored the first two and has also forgotten the way the union supported Indymedia in the past. One critique though, your two bullet points. You seem to critique the "witness contributors" document (so named so as NOT to be seen as referring to all citizen journalists, but we acknowledged that we didn't communicate that very well and lessons were learned), yet then call on the union to do exactly what the document was trying to do! The whole document was as much about protecting the rights of those who submit content to the media as it was about protecting our members and I'd like to point out point 4: "Such organisations accept that appropriate and agreed payments will be made to witness contributors for all uses of their material and that the terms of licensing will be easily available and clear;" http://www.mediawise.org.uk/display_page.php?id=903 Sometimes we can't win :) Oh, and the NUJ doesn't control the press card, it's just a gatekeeper. You'd need to talk to the Met about extending it to others - http://www.ukpresscardauthority.co.uk/ PS. Could you post this to the list, please, so that people can engage with it there, where the discussion was happening? Hi Paul,
Thanks for pointing out what my argument wasn’t. In fact, in my article I wrote:
“The Internet has always contained the potential to change the media. The ability to challenge authority, to provide an alternative narrative and to present a variety of points of view is what the Internet provides. But the idea that, instead of posting comments below a journalistic article, we get rid of the article altogether and just have the comments is truly dangerous.”

All the critics have focussed on the last line and ignored the first two and has also forgotten the way the union supported Indymedia in the past.

One critique though, your two bullet points. You seem to critique the “witness contributors” document (so named so as NOT to be seen as referring to all citizen journalists, but we acknowledged that we didn’t communicate that very well and lessons were learned), yet then call on the union to do exactly what the document was trying to do! The whole document was as much about protecting the rights of those who submit content to the media as it was about protecting our members and I’d like to point out point 4:

“Such organisations accept that appropriate and agreed payments will be made to witness contributors for all uses of their material and that the terms of licensing will be easily available and clear;”
http://www.mediawise.org.uk/display_page.php?id=903

Sometimes we can’t win :)

Oh, and the NUJ doesn’t control the press card, it’s just a gatekeeper. You’d need to talk to the Met about extending it to others – http://www.ukpresscardauthority.co.uk/

PS. Could you post this to the list, please, so that people can engage with it there, where the discussion was happening?

]]> By: Does the NUJ understand the internet? « Reportr.net http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/comment-page-1/#comment-1282 Does the NUJ understand the internet? « Reportr.net Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:45:20 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/31/the-nuj-fuss-now-im-spitting/#comment-1282 [...] Bradshaw takes the NUJ to task for not understanding what Web 2.0 means. Part of his ire is directed at a piece published in The Journalist under the headline, Web 2.0 is [...] [...] Bradshaw takes the NUJ to task for not understanding what Web 2.0 means. Part of his ire is directed at a piece published in The Journalist under the headline, Web 2.0 is [...]

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