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	<title>Comments on: They&#8217;re not &#8220;geeks&#8221; &#8211; they&#8217;re early adopters</title>
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		<title>By: focoafrprtng</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6915</link>
		<dc:creator>focoafrprtng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also important to remember the people that communicate in different ways. Some medias/platforms serve some audiences better, so we cannot forget about these people. Just like how getting rid of newspapers would keep a lot of people from getting the news, as this is the only way they know how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also important to remember the people that communicate in different ways. Some medias/platforms serve some audiences better, so we cannot forget about these people. Just like how getting rid of newspapers would keep a lot of people from getting the news, as this is the only way they know how.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlin</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6914</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To help make sense of this see Obsession dvd coverage on editors blogs and Muslim community sites responding to the dvd</description>
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		<title>By: Kaitlin</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6913</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet I&#039;m not a geek! The big business support is there. They just already have people in the positions that would be doing the work. They want early-adopters to tell them for free. It&#039;s the way of the web. Free share, etc. That has to merge at some point with business techniques and online journalism, which has more to do with filtering and researching content than publishing actual articles. Look at how mad ppl get at the NY Time for not spending a week on a story. If NY Times could just put it out there, offer some other materials as links and ask for others to do the same, update the content, there wouldn&#039;t be a problem. Why doesn&#039;t print media online think it has to be accountable to the endless information out there too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet I&#8217;m not a geek! The big business support is there. They just already have people in the positions that would be doing the work. They want early-adopters to tell them for free. It&#8217;s the way of the web. Free share, etc. That has to merge at some point with business techniques and online journalism, which has more to do with filtering and researching content than publishing actual articles. Look at how mad ppl get at the NY Time for not spending a week on a story. If NY Times could just put it out there, offer some other materials as links and ask for others to do the same, update the content, there wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. Why doesn&#8217;t print media online think it has to be accountable to the endless information out there too?</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s time to relieve the stress of RSS. Newspapers, make your own readers! &#124; Online Journalism Blog</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6912</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s time to relieve the stress of RSS. Newspapers, make your own readers! &#124; Online Journalism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few days ago on this blog, Paul Bradshaw wrote what he called one of the most important posts he&#8217;s ever made. Here it is. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Dave Lee / jBlog &#8250; It&#8217;s time to relieve the stress of RSS. Newspapers, make your own readers!</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6911</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lee / jBlog &#8250; It&#8217;s time to relieve the stress of RSS. Newspapers, make your own readers!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the past week, Paul Bradshaw wrote what he called one of the most important posts he&#8217;s ever made. Here it is. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: paulbradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6910</link>
		<dc:creator>paulbradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you&#039;re completely right - the arguments above are all about marketing. The person I was speaking to understood the journalistic benefits (which I&#039;ve written about elsewhere), but was perhaps playing devil&#039;s advocate about the commercial benefits.
The point is I don&#039;t think we can afford to ignore the commercial or the journalistic side of news on the web; if we&#039;re interested in the future of our industry we have to be interested in the commercial side, and we have to look to how that can support good journalism. If we don&#039;t, those who understand distribution on the web but care less about the content will win. Game over.
That said, I think increasingly journalism will be supported not by business models but by foundation and non profit support, and we should perhaps be doing more to help that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you&#8217;re completely right &#8211; the arguments above are all about marketing. The person I was speaking to understood the journalistic benefits (which I&#8217;ve written about elsewhere), but was perhaps playing devil&#8217;s advocate about the commercial benefits.<br />
The point is I don&#8217;t think we can afford to ignore the commercial or the journalistic side of news on the web; if we&#8217;re interested in the future of our industry we have to be interested in the commercial side, and we have to look to how that can support good journalism. If we don&#8217;t, those who understand distribution on the web but care less about the content will win. Game over.<br />
That said, I think increasingly journalism will be supported not by business models but by foundation and non profit support, and we should perhaps be doing more to help that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignore the bungalow extension at your peril &#171; Gary Andrews</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6909</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignore the bungalow extension at your peril &#171; Gary Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the older and tech-savvy readers. And while these may not yet have widespread take up, as Paul Bradshaw rightly points out today, these users aren&#8217;t geeks, they&#8217;re early adopters: &#8220;Five years ago people who [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the older and tech-savvy readers. And while these may not yet have widespread take up, as Paul Bradshaw rightly points out today, these users aren&#8217;t geeks, they&#8217;re early adopters: &#8220;Five years ago people who [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6908</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just having read this:

http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/robert-fisk-“to-hell-with-the-web-it’s-got-no-responsibility”/

I always get confused when it comes to &quot;new media&quot; on this blog. The hope that the possibilities of &quot;web 2.0&quot; will lead to a decrease in certain forms of censorship (cf the link above) seems to me to be contradicted by the above post where the arguments seem to be all about marketing. OK, that is a bit extreme, but I find the enthusiasm for flickr-tube-book what have you should be tempered a little, as there is no inherent benefit to these tools, it is definitely about how you use them- not that I am suggesting you don&#039;t, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just having read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/robert-fisk-“to-hell-with-the-web-it’s-got-no-responsibility”/" rel="nofollow">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/robert-fisk-“to-hell-with-the-web-it’s-got-no-responsibility”/</a></p>
<p>I always get confused when it comes to &#8220;new media&#8221; on this blog. The hope that the possibilities of &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; will lead to a decrease in certain forms of censorship (cf the link above) seems to me to be contradicted by the above post where the arguments seem to be all about marketing. OK, that is a bit extreme, but I find the enthusiasm for flickr-tube-book what have you should be tempered a little, as there is no inherent benefit to these tools, it is definitely about how you use them- not that I am suggesting you don&#8217;t, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorien</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6907</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting entry! It&#039;s very important to be able to give good arguments when journalists &#039;wave&#039; your advice away like that.Because it&#039;s just an excuse to just stay where they are. On the other hand, it is indeed necessary to know where the average media public stands. I like the thought that media companies help their readers discover Facebook, YouTube, Flickr,...But then of course, there needs to be some benefit for the company to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting entry! It&#8217;s very important to be able to give good arguments when journalists &#8216;wave&#8217; your advice away like that.Because it&#8217;s just an excuse to just stay where they are. On the other hand, it is indeed necessary to know where the average media public stands. I like the thought that media companies help their readers discover Facebook, YouTube, Flickr,&#8230;But then of course, there needs to be some benefit for the company to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Turulcsirip - Molnár, Emil</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/#comment-6906</link>
		<dc:creator>Turulcsirip - Molnár, Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They’re not “geeks” - they’re early adopters http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/  &#171; előző &#124; Molnár, Emil &#8212; 2008. 09. 22. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They’re not “geeks” &#8211; they’re early adopters <a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/" rel="nofollow">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/22/theyre-not-geeks-theyre-early-adopters/</a>  &laquo; előző | Molnár, Emil &mdash; 2008. 09. 22. [...] </p>
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