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		<title>By: malcolm coles</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10408</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me started on feedburner. You get a prize if you can find any helpful information about it ... Since google bought it, the user experience for new users has become dreadful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on feedburner. You get a prize if you can find any helpful information about it &#8230; Since google bought it, the user experience for new users has become dreadful.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10407</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw Malcolm. Kudos for the way you backtracked a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw Malcolm. Kudos for the way you backtracked a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10406</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stayed off the stats, but - for example - Feedburner chicklets can now include Friendfeed subscribers. No idea whether these are included in Martin&#039;s stats - but he does put a big questionmark over their reliability.

One problem with newspaper RSS stats used to be that they had a huge component of bloglines readers which were excluded when people switched to counting on Google reader. That punished the early adopter sites.

And what about readers who read headlines in sidebar widgets on other sites - do they count? E.g., this third party Times blogs widget has had 2700 downloads and a lot of installs.

http://www.widgetbox.com/widget/times-online-blogs

How many installs will their own widgets have had, and how many readers?

&#039;Tis a quicksand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stayed off the stats, but &#8211; for example &#8211; Feedburner chicklets can now include Friendfeed subscribers. No idea whether these are included in Martin&#8217;s stats &#8211; but he does put a big questionmark over their reliability.</p>
<p>One problem with newspaper RSS stats used to be that they had a huge component of bloglines readers which were excluded when people switched to counting on Google reader. That punished the early adopter sites.</p>
<p>And what about readers who read headlines in sidebar widgets on other sites &#8211; do they count? E.g., this third party Times blogs widget has had 2700 downloads and a lot of installs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.widgetbox.com/widget/times-online-blogs" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.widgetbox.com/widget/times-online-blogs?referer=');">http://www.widgetbox.com/widget/times-online-blogs</a></p>
<p>How many installs will their own widgets have had, and how many readers?</p>
<p>&#8216;Tis a quicksand.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm coles</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10405</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this still rumbling on?!?

They&#039;re not a fixed cost - they require maintenance. Let&#039;s leave that aside for now.

No one has ever queried the google reader numbers to the extent you have before. It&#039;s clear that they are just one player. But they are a significant one and it&#039;s fairly commonly accepted that they are accurate as far as their own subs go. It&#039;s nothing like download manager, which is trying to measure unknown unknowns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this still rumbling on?!?</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not a fixed cost &#8211; they require maintenance. Let&#8217;s leave that aside for now.</p>
<p>No one has ever queried the google reader numbers to the extent you have before. It&#8217;s clear that they are just one player. But they are a significant one and it&#8217;s fairly commonly accepted that they are accurate as far as their own subs go. It&#8217;s nothing like download manager, which is trying to measure unknown unknowns.</p>
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		<title>By: JGM</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10404</link>
		<dc:creator>JGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness me. No offence, but it&#039;s this sort of thinking that got the newspaper business into such a mess in the first place.

RSS feeds are a fixed cost to newspapers. They provide short details to readers, and allow them to link to the paper for more details.

I&#039;m surprised at the supposed readership rates the author quotes. I suspect that these numbers are not accurate. The only really useful numbers would come from the server that actually supplies the feed. I get the impression that the numbers the author is quoting are best estimates that the web designer put on that reflect a rough heuristic of use. For example, consider the Microsoft download manager which uses a rough heuristic that causes it to display download times that vary from minutes to hours.

In short, the author should realize that not all numbers are valid simply because they appear on a web site or are automatically generated. Instead, one needs to look at the context in which they appear, and to verify any numbers with those who implemented them. A lot of work? Yes. Tedious? Yes. Coincidently, these are the same ingredients that used to go into good news reporting before it became excessively profit oriented and time obsessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness me. No offence, but it&#8217;s this sort of thinking that got the newspaper business into such a mess in the first place.</p>
<p>RSS feeds are a fixed cost to newspapers. They provide short details to readers, and allow them to link to the paper for more details.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised at the supposed readership rates the author quotes. I suspect that these numbers are not accurate. The only really useful numbers would come from the server that actually supplies the feed. I get the impression that the numbers the author is quoting are best estimates that the web designer put on that reflect a rough heuristic of use. For example, consider the Microsoft download manager which uses a rough heuristic that causes it to display download times that vary from minutes to hours.</p>
<p>In short, the author should realize that not all numbers are valid simply because they appear on a web site or are automatically generated. Instead, one needs to look at the context in which they appear, and to verify any numbers with those who implemented them. A lot of work? Yes. Tedious? Yes. Coincidently, these are the same ingredients that used to go into good news reporting before it became excessively profit oriented and time obsessed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodeados de Twitter por todas partes. Enredados. La Revista: Twitter &#38; Periodismo</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10403</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodeados de Twitter por todas partes. Enredados. La Revista: Twitter &#38; Periodismo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faltaría más, la sindicación, los feeds, el RSS. Y lo dice el OJB, Online Journalism Blog:Newspapers: turn off your RSS feeds. Y otro mismo post de este mismo autor en este mismo blog:Newspapers on Twitter. How The Guardian, [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] faltaría más, la sindicación, los feeds, el RSS. Y lo dice el OJB, Online Journalism Blog:Newspapers: turn off your RSS feeds. Y otro mismo post de este mismo autor en este mismo blog:Newspapers on Twitter. How The Guardian, [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Newscloud and other mash-ups: Around Journalism &#124; Ian Hill</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10402</link>
		<dc:creator>Newscloud and other mash-ups: Around Journalism &#124; Ian Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog with the provocative headline &#8220;The end of news websites?&#8221; (OJB is big on provocative headlines lately.) Lavrusik discusses some of the journalism/social networking mash-up projects that have [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog with the provocative headline &#8220;The end of news websites?&#8221; (OJB is big on provocative headlines lately.) Lavrusik discusses some of the journalism/social networking mash-up projects that have [...] </p>
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		<title>By: malcolm coles</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10401</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good spot, Ian. Express people: Now you need to change the title to explain what each feed is. having &#039;Express :: Feed&#039; on every one isn&#039;t very clear ... Still, nearly there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good spot, Ian. Express people: Now you need to change the title to explain what each feed is. having &#8216;Express :: Feed&#8217; on every one isn&#8217;t very clear &#8230; Still, nearly there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hill</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10400</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Malcolm, quick FYI: I went to follow up on my previous email and checked the Express feeds you refer to above. All now seem to be working, save for Competitions, which is empty. And that could mean they haven&#039;t posted a competitions story in a bit. Perhaps they just needed an email to let them know the feeds needed fixing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Malcolm, quick FYI: I went to follow up on my previous email and checked the Express feeds you refer to above. All now seem to be working, save for Competitions, which is empty. And that could mean they haven&#8217;t posted a competitions story in a bit. Perhaps they just needed an email to let them know the feeds needed fixing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Goffin</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/07/01/newspapers-turn-off-your-rss-feeds/#comment-10399</link>
		<dc:creator>James Goffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the visibility point, all the main browsers have had an RSS feed button for some time that automatically picks up feeds on the page.
It&#039;s simply not necessary for sites to highlight them in the same way that it once was, and we&#039;re looking at ditching on-screen links from our redesigned sites for precisely that reason. There are better users of the screen estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the visibility point, all the main browsers have had an RSS feed button for some time that automatically picks up feeds on the page.<br />
It&#8217;s simply not necessary for sites to highlight them in the same way that it once was, and we&#8217;re looking at ditching on-screen links from our redesigned sites for precisely that reason. There are better users of the screen estate.</p>
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