Comments on: Notes on #janmoir – don’t ‘blame’ Fry

By: BristleKRS

BristleKRS — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:39:38 +0000

Re who ‘outed’ Trafigura:

I think plenty of people deduced it from the Guardian’s original cryptic article, eg Posters on bulletin board Urban75 nailed it (and showed their working) by 10:09pm on 12th October. Plus there were supporting elements (Private Eye) already out there.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9815546&postcount=16 (correct question on Order paper) (2209hrs)

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9815468&postcount=8 (Trafigura first named) (2148hrs)

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=9815456 (whole thread) (started 2140hrs)

By: ian

ian — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:41:48 +0000

Dale only gets more traffic if you believe his own self aggrandising figures. The man is a charlatan.

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By: paul canning

paul canning — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:33:06 +0000

Jimmy – here’s something I quickly found on blog traffic http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2009/08/05/wikio-top-uk-political-blogs-for-august-july-data/ – Dale ran something recently boosting himself on this (go have a look!)

Also Trafigura was not ‘outed’ initially by Fry – if anyone ‘outed’ them it was Greenpeace! But if we’re talking about the issue at the beginning of the week there were bloggers would found the connections before Guido, something which needs recording for the sake of history! See my live blog of how the day unfolded here http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2009/10/13/trafigura-guardian-gagging-order-parliament/

The point is not that celeb Twitterers are insignificant but that they’re not the whole story.

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:07:26 +0000

Interesting points about the celeb hooks angle.

Trafigura was outed by Guido initially, not Fry, and I believe he does have much much larger blog traffic than Dale.

But still, I believe Fry and Derren Brown were significant on the Jan Moir issue. there were quite a few celebs tweeting that one. It’s a celeb issue in many ways so probably not the best example to make your more general point.

By: Dan

Dan — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:36:45 +0000

The real scandal is the Daily Mail’s shameless endorsement of its writers bigoted views. One could probably forgive Jan Moir, who is after all just one person with an (albeit flawed) opinion. But for Dacre and his editors, the fact they’ve stood by the article in the face of such a backlash, and even pulled advertising from the page surrounding it, is a disgrace.

It’s link-baiting at its worst! Is the DM being deliberately provocative to raise its profile? Or does it actually endorse these views?

@Nashienet – That’s a bit of an exaggeration ain’t it? Fry is just a big voice on Twitter whose sensible commentary reflects popular opinion, not the other way round.

By: paul canning

paul canning — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:20:23 +0000

You’re contradicting yourself.

On the one hand Moir is wrong to say ‘orchestrated’, on the other the ‘snowball’ only gets going because of @stephenfry (or was it @derrenbrown?).

No one’s denying Fry has a role but it’s lazy and unobservant I think to suggest that it’s dependent on him.

By: Nashienet

Nashienet — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:48:46 +0000

Stephen Fry is the glue that holds twitter together. He’s so widely followed that even 1 mention of a hashtag or other tweeter can alert so many followers & very quickly kick off a snowball effect. This is why Moir herself got it so badly wrong when she suggested it was an orchestrated campaign against her.

I think the 2 twitter trends I’ve contributed to this week – #janmoir and #trafigura – have been brought to my attention from celebrity twitter feeds, Stephen Fry and Derren Brown.

By: @tweet_off

@tweet_off — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:15:39 +0000

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