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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/07/15/ben-goldacre-wants-a-repository-of-news-ingredients/#comment-16219</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not had any experience in using it, I have to say - Martin, who commented in this thread, knows much more. Given how much the media industry steals content from other media, I&#039;m sceptical how workable it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not had any experience in using it, I have to say &#8211; Martin, who commented in this thread, knows much more. Given how much the media industry steals content from other media, I&#8217;m sceptical how workable it is.</p>
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		<title>By: klaus junginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>klaus junginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

have anyone had any experience using Google News´ meta-tags &quot;syndication-source&quot; and &quot;original-source&quot;. They´re being testes since nov.2010 and, effective only in the news channel, shall point out to original publisher whenever the bot verifies that certain content may have been stolen. Got no other word for it. It´s theft.
I´m not sure if such tags will be affectively used for hard-news, since headlines about a plaaine crash will mostly bring up both kw &quot;plaine&quot; and &quot;Crash&quot;. It´s more likely to assist long-tail/less read/especific content to be indexed in an optimized way. Google bot rarely revists an ordinary page within a news site, of course homepages and other main frames are recrawled many times a minute, so it won´t help for old content. Maybe you colud diplay some links to these older pages on your homepage for a while with the meta-tags in place to see what happens.

Tchau

Klaus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>have anyone had any experience using Google News´ meta-tags &#8220;syndication-source&#8221; and &#8220;original-source&#8221;. They´re being testes since nov.2010 and, effective only in the news channel, shall point out to original publisher whenever the bot verifies that certain content may have been stolen. Got no other word for it. It´s theft.<br />
I´m not sure if such tags will be affectively used for hard-news, since headlines about a plaaine crash will mostly bring up both kw &#8220;plaine&#8221; and &#8220;Crash&#8221;. It´s more likely to assist long-tail/less read/especific content to be indexed in an optimized way. Google bot rarely revists an ordinary page within a news site, of course homepages and other main frames are recrawled many times a minute, so it won´t help for old content. Maybe you colud diplay some links to these older pages on your homepage for a while with the meta-tags in place to see what happens.</p>
<p>Tchau</p>
<p>Klaus</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-07-20 &#171; A Web editor&#039;s tale</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/07/15/ben-goldacre-wants-a-repository-of-news-ingredients/#comment-16217</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-07-20 &#171; A Web editor&#039;s tale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ben Goldacre wants a “Repository of news ingredients” &#124; Online Journalism Blog (tags: transparency online news journalism content tagging semanticweb) [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/07/15/ben-goldacre-wants-a-repository-of-news-ingredients/#comment-16216</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Slashdot&#039;s system is pretty well designed and has years of experience behind it you&#039;d struggle to emulate on a human scale. The technical challenge of this idea is interesting though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Slashdot&#8217;s system is pretty well designed and has years of experience behind it you&#8217;d struggle to emulate on a human scale. The technical challenge of this idea is interesting though.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Demain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Demain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to say Paul (and Ben) that my life is already convenient enough; anymore convenient and I&#039;d start to feel all pampered.

An old moderation system is that of slashdot.org - it has proven effective over the years, and relies heavily on metamoderation to determine who is allocated the mod-points. Those who mod wrongly in theory should get points infrequently, and vice versa.

-Pete @ dirtygarnet.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say Paul (and Ben) that my life is already convenient enough; anymore convenient and I&#8217;d start to feel all pampered.</p>
<p>An old moderation system is that of slashdot.org &#8211; it has proven effective over the years, and relies heavily on metamoderation to determine who is allocated the mod-points. Those who mod wrongly in theory should get points infrequently, and vice versa.</p>
<p>-Pete @ dirtygarnet.com</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-07-15 &#171; Onlinejournalismtest&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/07/15/ben-goldacre-wants-a-repository-of-news-ingredients/#comment-16214</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-07-15 &#171; Onlinejournalismtest&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ben Goldacre wants a “Repository of news ingredients” &#124; Online Journalism Blog New blog post: @BenGoldacre wants a &#039;Repository of news ingredients&#039; http://j.mp/9iFsb1 (tags: via:packrati.us) [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I admit my first response was a bit cheeky.

Seriously though, would the repository include raw materials? Unedited copies of press releases would be worth publishing, if only to give some idea what proportion of news was simple churn. What about raw data from FOI requests? (see http://www.thestory.ie for example). 
And perhaps most importantly, the question that haunts all great oinine journalism ideas, who will pay for this wonderful resource?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I admit my first response was a bit cheeky.</p>
<p>Seriously though, would the repository include raw materials? Unedited copies of press releases would be worth publishing, if only to give some idea what proportion of news was simple churn. What about raw data from FOI requests? (see <a href="http://www.thestory.ie" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.thestory.ie?referer=');">http://www.thestory.ie</a> for example).<br />
And perhaps most importantly, the question that haunts all great oinine journalism ideas, who will pay for this wonderful resource?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

Journalisted has a unique id for each article (&#039;story&#039; is alot more tricky, though we&#039;ve talked about how we might do that once journalisted is published in rdf as it soon should be). We now have pingbacks for journalists - not quite the link to media coverage you&#039;re talking about, but could certainly be extended (would probably need to be manual - can&#039;t see how you&#039;d automate this without multiple errors). We&#039;re working on the press release / source stuff - happy to chat about offline. Think the whole &#039;how to establish if this is a trusted source&#039; needs more thought.

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>Journalisted has a unique id for each article (&#8216;story&#8217; is alot more tricky, though we&#8217;ve talked about how we might do that once journalisted is published in rdf as it soon should be). We now have pingbacks for journalists &#8211; not quite the link to media coverage you&#8217;re talking about, but could certainly be extended (would probably need to be manual &#8211; can&#8217;t see how you&#8217;d automate this without multiple errors). We&#8217;re working on the press release / source stuff &#8211; happy to chat about offline. Think the whole &#8216;how to establish if this is a trusted source&#8217; needs more thought.</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, nice idea from Ben Goldacre. It seems to combine moves toward greater online transparency with the semantic web.

I agree that the news story should not be the prime focus, as that ignores far too many channels, types of media (voice, audio etc), and formats e.g. blog post, comment, tweet etc. Instead one needs some generic term for content unit, a bit like Drupal&#039;s &#039;node&#039;.

Indeed, &#039;news&#039; would be one of the elements that I&#039;d imagine the semantic web would define a news item by.

The move to the semantic web is well underway, I believe. Tagging, automated geo-tagging, the upcoming extended tweets (which come with alot more info about the tweet than the 140 character content), WordPress&#039; classification of blogroll entries etc. So I imagine Dr Goldacre can be confident that his &#039;news ingredients&#039; is in the works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, nice idea from Ben Goldacre. It seems to combine moves toward greater online transparency with the semantic web.</p>
<p>I agree that the news story should not be the prime focus, as that ignores far too many channels, types of media (voice, audio etc), and formats e.g. blog post, comment, tweet etc. Instead one needs some generic term for content unit, a bit like Drupal&#8217;s &#8216;node&#8217;.</p>
<p>Indeed, &#8216;news&#8217; would be one of the elements that I&#8217;d imagine the semantic web would define a news item by.</p>
<p>The move to the semantic web is well underway, I believe. Tagging, automated geo-tagging, the upcoming extended tweets (which come with alot more info about the tweet than the 140 character content), WordPress&#8217; classification of blogroll entries etc. So I imagine Dr Goldacre can be confident that his &#8216;news ingredients&#8217; is in the works.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/07/15/ben-goldacre-wants-a-repository-of-news-ingredients/#comment-16210</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - and Wikipedia didn&#039;t invent the wiki! A wiki would be a perfect simple technology for this, but Wikipedia wouldn&#039;t work for it, as many stories would be deemed not significant enough for inclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; and Wikipedia didn&#8217;t invent the wiki! A wiki would be a perfect simple technology for this, but Wikipedia wouldn&#8217;t work for it, as many stories would be deemed not significant enough for inclusion.</p>
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