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	<title>Comments on: Bet: The News of the World paywall will be more successful than The Times paywall</title>
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		<title>By: Will a paywall pay for News of the World? &#171; Revolutionary Measures</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will a paywall pay for News of the World? &#171; Revolutionary Measures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] specialises in exclusive, in your face exposes, from Wayne Rooney to Max Mosley it might well be better positioned than The Times when it comes to content that you can’t find anywhere else. What would really work and cement its [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] specialises in exclusive, in your face exposes, from Wayne Rooney to Max Mosley it might well be better positioned than The Times when it comes to content that you can’t find anywhere else. What would really work and cement its [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points. 

I can&#039;t speak for the UK, but the New Zealand experience says lower income, less educated people are more likely to subscribe to pay TV. It&#039;ll be interesting to see if online newspapers go the same way.

It&#039;s easy to overlook the way numbers and price work together, particularly online where the marginal cost of delivering an extra copy is effectively zero. 

I&#039;m not sure if the unique content is different enough or valuable enough - so I guess this will link back to the asking price. 

Yep. I think you&#039;re probably right on this. But either way, it&#039;s going to be fascinating watching it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for the UK, but the New Zealand experience says lower income, less educated people are more likely to subscribe to pay TV. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see if online newspapers go the same way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to overlook the way numbers and price work together, particularly online where the marginal cost of delivering an extra copy is effectively zero. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the unique content is different enough or valuable enough &#8211; so I guess this will link back to the asking price. </p>
<p>Yep. I think you&#8217;re probably right on this. But either way, it&#8217;s going to be fascinating watching it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course - was hoping the comment thread might provide a good place to discuss it. I think those who are writing it off are mistaking their own perceptions of value for those of the readers of NOTW. 

So. OK: first - the readers are different and their purchasing behaviour is different. Second, they have more of them. Third, the price point is different. Fourth, they do unique content which has emotional and social value. Finally, they make content which is web-only.

Here&#039;s another perspective, before you even look at the detail above: broadsheets have always been more dependent on advertising, and rarely been profitable. Tabloids are more dependent on sales, and are more often profitable. In other words, the NOTW is more experienced in selling content to readers; The Times is more experienced in selling readers to advertisers. I&#039;m betting on experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course &#8211; was hoping the comment thread might provide a good place to discuss it. I think those who are writing it off are mistaking their own perceptions of value for those of the readers of NOTW. </p>
<p>So. OK: first &#8211; the readers are different and their purchasing behaviour is different. Second, they have more of them. Third, the price point is different. Fourth, they do unique content which has emotional and social value. Finally, they make content which is web-only.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another perspective, before you even look at the detail above: broadsheets have always been more dependent on advertising, and rarely been profitable. Tabloids are more dependent on sales, and are more often profitable. In other words, the NOTW is more experienced in selling content to readers; The Times is more experienced in selling readers to advertisers. I&#8217;m betting on experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you care to say WHY you think the News of the World will be more successful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you care to say WHY you think the News of the World will be more successful?</p>
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		<title>By: This Week in Review: J-schools as R&#38;D labs, a big news consumption shift, and what becomes of RSS » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/09/16/bet-the-news-of-the-world-paywall-will-be-more-successful-than-the-times-paywall/#comment-16632</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: J-schools as R&#38;D labs, a big news consumption shift, and what becomes of RSS » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is going behind a paywall in October. PaidContent was skeptical, but Paul Bradshaw said it&#8217;ll do better than Murdoch&#8217;s other newly paywalled British paper, The [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is going behind a paywall in October. PaidContent was skeptical, but Paul Bradshaw said it&#8217;ll do better than Murdoch&#8217;s other newly paywalled British paper, The [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Demain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Demain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah why not? We&#039;re on. The last time I did such a morally inclined bet was 2004 on John Kerry winning over Bush in November&#039;s presidential. The &#039;lesser of two evils&#039; wishful idealist may be regaining sway in my ever-pathetic, ever-sensible brain.

Pete, editor at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dirtygarnet.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dirty Garnet&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah why not? We&#8217;re on. The last time I did such a morally inclined bet was 2004 on John Kerry winning over Bush in November&#8217;s presidential. The &#8216;lesser of two evils&#8217; wishful idealist may be regaining sway in my ever-pathetic, ever-sensible brain.</p>
<p>Pete, editor at <a href="http://www.dirtygarnet.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.dirtygarnet.com/?referer=');">Dirty Garnet</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet my reputation as someone who knows which paywall will be more successful ;) 

If you want to make it more interesting, I&#039;ll personally bet you a tenner, if you want to take up the opposite prediction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet my reputation as someone who knows which paywall will be more successful <img src='http://onlinejournalismblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>If you want to make it more interesting, I&#8217;ll personally bet you a tenner, if you want to take up the opposite prediction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Demain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Demain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. A bet usually involves a stake - so what are you staking, if anything?

Would prefer the reply before March though, so as to not render this a hindsight induced farce.

Pete, editor at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dirtygarnet.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dirty Garnet&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. A bet usually involves a stake &#8211; so what are you staking, if anything?</p>
<p>Would prefer the reply before March though, so as to not render this a hindsight induced farce.</p>
<p>Pete, editor at <a href="http://www.dirtygarnet.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.dirtygarnet.com/?referer=');">Dirty Garnet</a>.</p>
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