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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-218851</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may help? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkwRl6JWX8tkdGxqT1ZFUWxFbElVa3d1S1NOODQ2aVE&amp;hl=en_GB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may help? <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkwRl6JWX8tkdGxqT1ZFUWxFbElVa3d1S1NOODQ2aVE&#038;hl=en_GB" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkwRl6JWX8tkdGxqT1ZFUWxFbElVa3d1S1NOODQ2aVE_038_hl=en_GB&amp;referer=');">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkwRl6JWX8tkdGxqT1ZFUWxFbElVa3d1S1NOODQ2aVE&#038;hl=en_GB</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Brake</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-217838</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be touching on this with most of my second year journalism students when teaching feature writing and will go into more depth with my Masters students. Am looking forward to finding out the extent of open data available in Asia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be touching on this with most of my second year journalism students when teaching feature writing and will go into more depth with my Masters students. Am looking forward to finding out the extent of open data available in Asia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-11-29 &#171; Science Training for Journalists</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-17324</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-11-29 &#171; Science Training for Journalists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comment call: Are you teaching data journalism? &#124; Online Journalism Blog On Monday The Guardian published an article about data journalism and the future of journalism. As part of that I was asked what university courses taught data journalism. I could only think of Glyn Mottershead at Cardiff and – probably – Steve Hill at Southampton Solent. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comment call: Are you teaching data journalism? | Online Journalism Blog On Monday The Guardian published an article about data journalism and the future of journalism. As part of that I was asked what university courses taught data journalism. I could only think of Glyn Mottershead at Cardiff and – probably – Steve Hill at Southampton Solent. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Hitting balls with the Medicus Golf Swing Trainer &#124; Golf Blogger&#124; Free Golf Resources and Information Tips&#124; How to Play Golf!</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-17323</link>
		<dc:creator>Hitting balls with the Medicus Golf Swing Trainer &#124; Golf Blogger&#124; Free Golf Resources and Information Tips&#124; How to Play Golf!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gimmicky &amp;#1281&amp;#959 nothing gizmo. Th&amp;#1110&amp;#1109 &amp;#1110&amp;#1109 th&amp;#1077 real deal. A professional teaching aid th&amp;#1072t&#8217;s &amp;#406&amp;#1110k&amp;#1077 carrying around &amp;#1091&amp;#959&amp;#965r &amp;#959wn portable golf [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gimmicky &amp;#1281&amp;#959 nothing gizmo. Th&amp;#1110&amp;#1109 &amp;#1110&amp;#1109 th&amp;#1077 real deal. A professional teaching aid th&amp;#1072t&#8217;s &amp;#406&amp;#1110k&amp;#1077 carrying around &amp;#1091&amp;#959&amp;#965r &amp;#959wn portable golf [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the light bulb moments. I get them too and it&#039;s really nice. I agree that the graphical end is often the best way in. Once they get hooked on the pictures the &#039;how do they do that?&#039; motivation creeps in and they are well in. 

Sometimes though its enough that they can go away and say with some authority that they are aware of what data journalism is and offer an informed opinion or make an informed choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the light bulb moments. I get them too and it&#8217;s really nice. I agree that the graphical end is often the best way in. Once they get hooked on the pictures the &#8216;how do they do that?&#8217; motivation creeps in and they are well in. </p>
<p>Sometimes though its enough that they can go away and say with some authority that they are aware of what data journalism is and offer an informed opinion or make an informed choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Sébastien Marier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Sébastien Marier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carleton University (Ottawa, Canada) offers a &quot;Reporting Methods&quot; course to its first year Master of Journalism students. I took this course last year, which was thought by two reporters from CBC and the Canadian Press. We learned about filling Access to Information Requests and basic data-mining. Yet, my knowledge of database management and PHP coding is mostly self-thought. I wish we had a course focusing exclusively on data analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carleton University (Ottawa, Canada) offers a &#8220;Reporting Methods&#8221; course to its first year Master of Journalism students. I took this course last year, which was thought by two reporters from CBC and the Canadian Press. We learned about filling Access to Information Requests and basic data-mining. Yet, my knowledge of database management and PHP coding is mostly self-thought. I wish we had a course focusing exclusively on data analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Visualization For Law of Attraction Followers &#124; Metaphysical Beliefs</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-17320</link>
		<dc:creator>Visualization For Law of Attraction Followers &#124; Metaphysical Beliefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comment call: Are you teaching data journalism? &#124; Online &#8230; [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Steve Hill</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-17319</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interested in this. You taught me many, many, years ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interested in this. You taught me many, many, years ago!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hill</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-17318</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link! I have to say that I&#039;ve only recently started covering this kind of stuff and I&#039;m by no means an expert. 

As has been discussed in many conferences it is possible to go down a very technical route, which just isn&#039;t suitable for many of our students who comes from arts backgrounds and often have quite weak existing data skills. Fear of numbers, past failure in this area, often resulting in lack of interest can be a problem. But it doesn&#039;t have to be complicated. At the risk of &#039;dumbing down&#039;, I go in very gently.   

My route in? Data journalism fits neatly with sessions I do on the creation of info-graphics in print (InDesign). IMHO students tend to have quite good skills on the &#039;output&#039; side and can come up with increasingly creative ways to present data in attractive ways, but are less interested in some other bits that involves spreadsheets and getting hands dirty with databases. I need to get better at delivering this kind of stuff and am interested in discovering interesting routes at the back end. 

But student feedback has been generally good and both tutor and students have had unexpected &#039;light bulb&#039; moments. If nothing else, students understand the concept of &#039;data smog&#039; and that there is an increasingly important role for journalists here. I take that to be quite a good first step on which to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link! I have to say that I&#8217;ve only recently started covering this kind of stuff and I&#8217;m by no means an expert. </p>
<p>As has been discussed in many conferences it is possible to go down a very technical route, which just isn&#8217;t suitable for many of our students who comes from arts backgrounds and often have quite weak existing data skills. Fear of numbers, past failure in this area, often resulting in lack of interest can be a problem. But it doesn&#8217;t have to be complicated. At the risk of &#8216;dumbing down&#8217;, I go in very gently.   </p>
<p>My route in? Data journalism fits neatly with sessions I do on the creation of info-graphics in print (InDesign). IMHO students tend to have quite good skills on the &#8216;output&#8217; side and can come up with increasingly creative ways to present data in attractive ways, but are less interested in some other bits that involves spreadsheets and getting hands dirty with databases. I need to get better at delivering this kind of stuff and am interested in discovering interesting routes at the back end. </p>
<p>But student feedback has been generally good and both tutor and students have had unexpected &#8216;light bulb&#8217; moments. If nothing else, students understand the concept of &#8216;data smog&#8217; and that there is an increasingly important role for journalists here. I take that to be quite a good first step on which to build.</p>
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		<title>By: cleland thom</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/11/25/comment-call-are-you-teaching-data-journalism/#comment-17317</link>
		<dc:creator>cleland thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we&#039;ll be launching the first e-course in the next couple of weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we&#8217;ll be launching the first e-course in the next couple of weeks.</p>
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