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		<title>By: Pickles: Citizen Journalists and Bloggers should be let in to Public Council Meetings</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-government/#comment-17433</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickles: Citizen Journalists and Bloggers should be let in to Public Council Meetings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6. London’s Southwark Council has agreed to allow audio recordings of its meetings, following a request by local news site London SE1.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/dec/06/localgovernment-localgovernment. http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-governme... [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6. London’s Southwark Council has agreed to allow audio recordings of its meetings, following a request by local news site London SE1.<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/dec/06/localgovernment-localgovernment" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/dec/06/localgovernment-localgovernment?referer=');">http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/dec/06/localgovernment-localgovernment</a>. <a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-governme" rel="nofollow">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-governme</a>&#8230; [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-government/#comment-17432</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really bad, but I assume the logic might go something like this: regional TV news - lots of viewers. Local blogger - not as many viewers. Who should the PR&#039;s prioritise? Having said that, there&#039;s no excuse to ignore an important local voice. 

But given that we&#039;re all journalists these days and all have the ability to self-publish, then I&#039;m guessing that brings with it the potential for press officers to get deluged. 

There&#039;s a distinct pecking order based on the number of viewers/readers - a rather ruthless calculus based on percieved influence. 

In regional TV news, you get knocked back all the time because someone somewhere (usually in London) doesn&#039;t regard you as especially important. And so on and so forth. 

You get influence by breaking stories which are then picked up and widely circulated. So when the blog discloses stuff about the council which leads to wider coverage, then the blog starts getting taken more seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really bad, but I assume the logic might go something like this: regional TV news &#8211; lots of viewers. Local blogger &#8211; not as many viewers. Who should the PR&#8217;s prioritise? Having said that, there&#8217;s no excuse to ignore an important local voice. </p>
<p>But given that we&#8217;re all journalists these days and all have the ability to self-publish, then I&#8217;m guessing that brings with it the potential for press officers to get deluged. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a distinct pecking order based on the number of viewers/readers &#8211; a rather ruthless calculus based on percieved influence. </p>
<p>In regional TV news, you get knocked back all the time because someone somewhere (usually in London) doesn&#8217;t regard you as especially important. And so on and so forth. </p>
<p>You get influence by breaking stories which are then picked up and widely circulated. So when the blog discloses stuff about the council which leads to wider coverage, then the blog starts getting taken more seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuts are already a way of life for Birmingham city council &#124; Andrew Watt - Yachydda is Politically Arguementative and Topical - yachydda.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-government/#comment-17431</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuts are already a way of life for Birmingham city council &#124; Andrew Watt - Yachydda is Politically Arguementative and Topical - yachydda.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] whose role it is to provide that very service. Words must be backed up by deeds and local bloggers, literally left out in the cold, will be among those who hold the council to [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] whose role it is to provide that very service. Words must be backed up by deeds and local bloggers, literally left out in the cold, will be among those who hold the council to [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hedy&#039;s case is indeed greyer than Simon&#039;s, but I do think it betrays a certain mindset. To leave someone literally out in the cold when it would cost you nothing to let them in has nothing to do with resources. Nor does stonewalling, ignoring, and refusing to provide comments for 7 weeks. Their official &#039;comment&#039; to this post (and its anonymity) does nothing to suggest otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedy&#8217;s case is indeed greyer than Simon&#8217;s, but I do think it betrays a certain mindset. To leave someone literally out in the cold when it would cost you nothing to let them in has nothing to do with resources. Nor does stonewalling, ignoring, and refusing to provide comments for 7 weeks. Their official &#8216;comment&#8217; to this post (and its anonymity) does nothing to suggest otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-government/#comment-17429</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three things which jump out at me here.

The first is the idea that councillors are important people. They are, but so what? They are elected and there to be questioned.

The second is that the case with Hedy seems to be more of a grey area than the one quoted involving Simon Perry. I always thought members of the public could attend inquests, so refusing him access to an inquest as both a reporter and a member of the public seems to be breaking well established rules. 

Finally, looking at the responses from those working for councils on here, is it a case of having to justify why stretched council press offices should find time to work with bloggers? I&#039;m not saying this is what should have to happen, but surely the value a press office places on the material your produce directly corresponds to the amount of effort they put into dealing with you? Again, I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s right, but is this a case of finding an means to justify the preferred ends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three things which jump out at me here.</p>
<p>The first is the idea that councillors are important people. They are, but so what? They are elected and there to be questioned.</p>
<p>The second is that the case with Hedy seems to be more of a grey area than the one quoted involving Simon Perry. I always thought members of the public could attend inquests, so refusing him access to an inquest as both a reporter and a member of the public seems to be breaking well established rules. </p>
<p>Finally, looking at the responses from those working for councils on here, is it a case of having to justify why stretched council press offices should find time to work with bloggers? I&#8217;m not saying this is what should have to happen, but surely the value a press office places on the material your produce directly corresponds to the amount of effort they put into dealing with you? Again, I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s right, but is this a case of finding an means to justify the preferred ends?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 14:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the head of communications for Leeds City Council.  I am also a former journalist, so I can see both sides of what I think has been an interesting debate.

Birmingham is the only local authority bigger than us, and I suspect like them they have a busy press and media office.  Ours operates 24 hours a day and we get upwards of 2500 queries a year (and those are only the ones we log).  As Cleland highlights earlier, dealing with that kind of demand puts a strain on resources.  I&#039;d love to hire additional press officers, but then all you journalists would be writing about &#039;more spin doctors for Leeds&#039; - and quite rightly I&#039;m sure.

That&#039;s why we have our virtual newsroom on which we publish every snippet of news, information, video, audio, photos and all invites to media/photo calls etc.  The site isn&#039;t locked down, content is available via the site, RSS, Twitter and we&#039;ll even email stuff to whoever subscribes (and that includes several people who I think probably aren&#039;t journalists).

For general things that we&#039;re doing, there&#039;s an open invitation - but there will be occasions when we will organise briefings for specific groups (or individual) reporters; especially when they have been following a particular issue closely over, say, many months or years.

But, I do recognise the role that bloggers/citizen journalists have to play these days and that many of them should be viewed as bona-fide news gatherers.  My advice is to get to know your local council&#039;s press office staff, find out who looks after what issues/portfolios and build a relationship with them.  We publish the names/numbers of my press office team.

I&#039;d like to think that we have a good relationship with Leeds media - and I&#039;d like to hear about it if journalists thought that&#039;s not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the head of communications for Leeds City Council.  I am also a former journalist, so I can see both sides of what I think has been an interesting debate.</p>
<p>Birmingham is the only local authority bigger than us, and I suspect like them they have a busy press and media office.  Ours operates 24 hours a day and we get upwards of 2500 queries a year (and those are only the ones we log).  As Cleland highlights earlier, dealing with that kind of demand puts a strain on resources.  I&#8217;d love to hire additional press officers, but then all you journalists would be writing about &#8216;more spin doctors for Leeds&#8217; &#8211; and quite rightly I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we have our virtual newsroom on which we publish every snippet of news, information, video, audio, photos and all invites to media/photo calls etc.  The site isn&#8217;t locked down, content is available via the site, RSS, Twitter and we&#8217;ll even email stuff to whoever subscribes (and that includes several people who I think probably aren&#8217;t journalists).</p>
<p>For general things that we&#8217;re doing, there&#8217;s an open invitation &#8211; but there will be occasions when we will organise briefings for specific groups (or individual) reporters; especially when they have been following a particular issue closely over, say, many months or years.</p>
<p>But, I do recognise the role that bloggers/citizen journalists have to play these days and that many of them should be viewed as bona-fide news gatherers.  My advice is to get to know your local council&#8217;s press office staff, find out who looks after what issues/portfolios and build a relationship with them.  We publish the names/numbers of my press office team.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think that we have a good relationship with Leeds media &#8211; and I&#8217;d like to hear about it if journalists thought that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, this is&#039;t just a problem for bloggers/online journalists.

I was working for a large commercial radio station in Hull not long ago and we frequently had issues with Humberside Police who gave priority to the BBC and local papers. At one point, we got a great exclusive from a whistleblower inside the force and Humberside Police didn&#039;t give us a response...until the BBC started running the story! At which point they were on the phone clearly quite shaken.

Although they deny it if you ask them, in my experience, press officers from any authority clearly prioritise media outlets, although not, it would seem, using any facts or figures. They just assume &#039;larger&#039; outlets have bigger audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, this is&#8217;t just a problem for bloggers/online journalists.</p>
<p>I was working for a large commercial radio station in Hull not long ago and we frequently had issues with Humberside Police who gave priority to the BBC and local papers. At one point, we got a great exclusive from a whistleblower inside the force and Humberside Police didn&#8217;t give us a response&#8230;until the BBC started running the story! At which point they were on the phone clearly quite shaken.</p>
<p>Although they deny it if you ask them, in my experience, press officers from any authority clearly prioritise media outlets, although not, it would seem, using any facts or figures. They just assume &#8216;larger&#8217; outlets have bigger audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedy Korbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hedy Korbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians are elected to serve the people and they should be able and willing to answer questions from anyone -- mainstream journalists, online journalists, but most importantly the voters.

Briefing reporters off the record fell out of fashion years ago, as did rewarding reporters who toe the line by giving them exclusives.

You indicate that “this is all about building relationships between the reporter and the politician”.   It’s not.  It’s about building relationships between the politician and the people who elected him or her.  

Birmingham Council is in a financial crisis and is in the process of cutting 7,000 full-time jobs and another 3,000 part-time jobs.  The people whose lives will be torn apart by this have every right to expect that Council will engage in modern communication practices by being open, honest, transparent and empathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians are elected to serve the people and they should be able and willing to answer questions from anyone &#8212; mainstream journalists, online journalists, but most importantly the voters.</p>
<p>Briefing reporters off the record fell out of fashion years ago, as did rewarding reporters who toe the line by giving them exclusives.</p>
<p>You indicate that “this is all about building relationships between the reporter and the politician”.   It’s not.  It’s about building relationships between the politician and the people who elected him or her.  </p>
<p>Birmingham Council is in a financial crisis and is in the process of cutting 7,000 full-time jobs and another 3,000 part-time jobs.  The people whose lives will be torn apart by this have every right to expect that Council will engage in modern communication practices by being open, honest, transparent and empathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2010/12/03/online-journalists-left-out-in-the-cold-by-local-government/#comment-17425</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add that Birmingham is an enormous authority that serves over a million people. Can they really only accommodate 5 journalists in a briefing about the loss of thousands of public sector jobs? If this was about capacity then they could announce it and set an upper limit: first come, first served. It clearly isn&#039;t about capacity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add that Birmingham is an enormous authority that serves over a million people. Can they really only accommodate 5 journalists in a briefing about the loss of thousands of public sector jobs? If this was about capacity then they could announce it and set an upper limit: first come, first served. It clearly isn&#8217;t about capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways, nothing changes. Over the years, freelances have often found it difficult to deal with press offices unless they were known and/or part of a cozy local cabal who didn&#039;t ask too many difficult questions ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, nothing changes. Over the years, freelances have often found it difficult to deal with press offices unless they were known and/or part of a cozy local cabal who didn&#8217;t ask too many difficult questions &#8230;</p>
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