Comments on: Culture Clash: Journalism’s ideology vs blog culture http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/ A conversation. Mon, 21 May 2012 12:30:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: FAQ: Trusting ‘the blogosphere’ | Online Journalism Blog http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-360981 FAQ: Trusting ‘the blogosphere’ | Online Journalism Blog Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:50:15 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-360981 [...] This post on blogging vs journalism ethics has more. [...] [...] This post on blogging vs journalism ethics has more. [...]

]]> By: FAQ: Self-regulation of online media | Online Journalism Blog http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-24808 FAQ: Self-regulation of online media | Online Journalism Blog Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:50:16 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-24808 [...] post – http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/ – is a good summary of how I think the two compare. Most bloggers see themselves as fiercely [...] [...] post – http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/ – is a good summary of how I think the two compare. Most bloggers see themselves as fiercely [...]

]]> By: > Giornalisti vs. Blogger… vs. Social? | Giornale Blog http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18122 > Giornalisti vs. Blogger… vs. Social? | Giornale Blog Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:06:00 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18122 [...] Gran bella riflessione quella pubblicata ieri su Il Giornalaio, che riprende (fra i tanti) un articolo di Online Journalism Blog che contrappone l’ideologia del giornalismo alla cultura dei blog. [...] [...] Gran bella riflessione quella pubblicata ieri su Il Giornalaio, che riprende (fra i tanti) un articolo di Online Journalism Blog che contrappone l’ideologia del giornalismo alla cultura dei blog. [...]

]]> By: Giornalisti vs. Blogger… vs. Social? http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18121 Giornalisti vs. Blogger… vs. Social? Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:04:14 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18121 [...] che riprende (fra i tanti) un articolo di Online Journalism Blog che contrappone l’ideologia del giornalismo alla cultura dei blog. Il tutto avviene in un momento storico molto particolare, nel quale testate (erroneamente) [...] [...] che riprende (fra i tanti) un articolo di Online Journalism Blog che contrappone l’ideologia del giornalismo alla cultura dei blog. Il tutto avviene in un momento storico molto particolare, nel quale testate (erroneamente) [...]

]]> By: Giornalisti & Blogger | Il Giornalaio http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18120 Giornalisti & Blogger | Il Giornalaio Tue, 05 Apr 2011 06:18:08 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18120 [...] che Paul Bradshaw spiega, come illustra la grafica di sintesi sottostante, in uno scontro di culture, forse persino di [...] [...] che Paul Bradshaw spiega, come illustra la grafica di sintesi sottostante, in uno scontro di culture, forse persino di [...]

]]> By: Medial Digital» Linktipps Neu » Linktipps zum Wochenstart: Im Kern noch das Alte http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18119 Medial Digital» Linktipps Neu » Linktipps zum Wochenstart: Im Kern noch das Alte Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:34:24 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18119 [...] Der New Yorker Journalismus-Professor Jay Rosen hat auf der Konferenz SXSW 2011 in Austin, Texas, einen Vortrag über die ewige Diskussion Blogger versus Journalisten gehalten. Er versucht, zu ergründen, was wirklich hinter dem Kulturkampf steckt und vergleicht den Autoritätsverlust von Journalisten mit dem von Medizinern: “A useful comparison would be to medical doctors: when patients can look up a drug on the Internet, research a course of treatment or connect with others who have the same condition, the authority of the doctor does not disappear. And it’s not that people don’t trust their doctors anymore. But the terms of authority have to change to allow for patients who have more information, more options, and more power to argue with their physicians.” Mehr Interessantes zu diesem Thema auch beim Online Journalism Blog. [...] [...] Der New Yorker Journalismus-Professor Jay Rosen hat auf der Konferenz SXSW 2011 in Austin, Texas, einen Vortrag über die ewige Diskussion Blogger versus Journalisten gehalten. Er versucht, zu ergründen, was wirklich hinter dem Kulturkampf steckt und vergleicht den Autoritätsverlust von Journalisten mit dem von Medizinern: “A useful comparison would be to medical doctors: when patients can look up a drug on the Internet, research a course of treatment or connect with others who have the same condition, the authority of the doctor does not disappear. And it’s not that people don’t trust their doctors anymore. But the terms of authority have to change to allow for patients who have more information, more options, and more power to argue with their physicians.” Mehr Interessantes zu diesem Thema auch beim Online Journalism Blog. [...]

]]> By: Banjo Lawson http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18118 Banjo Lawson Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:04:43 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18118 A good point. The behaviour of journalists during the Christchurch disaster was often predatory, exploitative and damaging to the reputation of the profession. It appears to me that enforcement of the journalistic ethical principles is a toothless tiger. Technology is shifting the paradigm and the balance of power in information control, transparency and accountability towards consumers and away from professions. This applies to bloggers and journalists in the commercial and not-for-profit sectors. Journalism done well will progress with technology, journalism done poorly will wither when exposed to the sun. We all have our biases and assumptions. Best to be open and let readers judge the worth themselves. A good point. The behaviour of journalists during the Christchurch disaster was often predatory, exploitative and damaging to the reputation of the profession.

It appears to me that enforcement of the journalistic ethical principles is a toothless tiger.

Technology is shifting the paradigm and the balance of power in information control, transparency and accountability towards consumers and away from professions. This applies to bloggers and journalists in the commercial and not-for-profit sectors. Journalism done well will progress with technology, journalism done poorly will wither when exposed to the sun.

We all have our biases and assumptions. Best to be open and let readers judge the worth themselves.

]]> By: The Worst of Perth http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18117 The Worst of Perth Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:56:20 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18117 Journalists' pretense that they are a public service rather than a means of attracting advertising is why there is a conflict with the ethics. It is the profession where no ethical principal cannot be thrown out of the window as expedient, and one where this ethical defenestration can sometimes occur several times in a day and is never punished. Is this then not the real difference? Bloggers don't have to pretend they are one thing yet be forced to be another. A blogger has no need to hide political partisanship if such is their game, yet journalists on newspapers which are obviously biased have to make risible claims of objectivity even to themselves. The freedom from having to pretend is the only difference. The rest are just derivations of that. Nice piece here on journos at the recent Christchurch earthquake by the way. http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com/2011/02/thats-entertainment.html Journalists’ pretense that they are a public service rather than a means of attracting advertising is why there is a conflict with the ethics. It is the profession where no ethical principal cannot be thrown out of the window as expedient, and one where this ethical defenestration can sometimes occur several times in a day and is never punished.
Is this then not the real difference? Bloggers don’t have to pretend they are one thing yet be forced to be another. A blogger has no need to hide political partisanship if such is their game, yet journalists on newspapers which are obviously biased have to make risible claims of objectivity even to themselves.

The freedom from having to pretend is the only difference. The rest are just derivations of that.

Nice piece here on journos at the recent Christchurch earthquake by the way.
http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com/2011/02/thats-entertainment.html

]]> By: Daniel Bennett http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18116 Daniel Bennett Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:55:05 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18116 Paul, Great post. I think this is where you are headed anyway but... ...I reckon the real challenge to the immediacy of journalism was not some bloggers' decision to 'publish then filter' but the tendency for some bloggers (and particularly these days Twitter users) to 'publish then verify' (with or without attribution to source). Although it does vary depending on the nature of the information, this practice is now widespread in online journalism in an attempt to address that challenge and retain journalism's dominance in reporting news first. Journalism is justifying this change in approach by arguing that it will responsibly inform you how much of the published material is verified or the nature of its verification. See for example Matthew Eltringham's discussion of the 'line of verification' (http://bbc.in/eL9sMy). Paul,
Great post.

I think this is where you are headed anyway but…

…I reckon the real challenge to the immediacy of journalism was not some bloggers’ decision to ‘publish then filter’ but the tendency for some bloggers (and particularly these days Twitter users) to ‘publish then verify’ (with or without attribution to source). Although it does vary depending on the nature of the information, this practice is now widespread in online journalism in an attempt to address that challenge and retain journalism’s dominance in reporting news first.

Journalism is justifying this change in approach by arguing that it will responsibly inform you how much of the published material is verified or the nature of its verification. See for example Matthew Eltringham’s discussion of the ‘line of verification’ (http://bbc.in/eL9sMy).

]]> By: Paul Bradshaw http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2011/03/07/culture-clash-journalisms-ideology-vs-blog-culture/#comment-18115 Paul Bradshaw Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:09:08 +0000 http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=13258#comment-18115 Like I say, this is less about what journalists and bloggers do, but about what they say: how they talk about themselves and their work. Many journalists and bloggers collaborate very nicely, but they can still have differing views of why and how they work. Like I say, this is less about what journalists and bloggers do, but about what they say: how they talk about themselves and their work. Many journalists and bloggers collaborate very nicely, but they can still have differing views of why and how they work.

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