<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Sockpuppetry and Wikipedia &#8211; a PR transparency project</title>
	<atom:link href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2012/01/16/sockpuppetry-wikipedia-bell-pottinger-tim-ireland/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2012/01/16/sockpuppetry-wikipedia-bell-pottinger-tim-ireland/</link>
	<description>A conversation.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 12:30:09 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Idealationalisterish</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2012/01/16/sockpuppetry-wikipedia-bell-pottinger-tim-ireland/#comment-291714</link>
		<dc:creator>Idealationalisterish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=15708#comment-291714</guid>
		<description>A great idea. But unenforceable *sigh*. Company PR are sneaky sons-of-bitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great idea. But unenforceable *sigh*. Company PR are sneaky sons-of-bitches.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Ireland (@bloggerheads)</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2012/01/16/sockpuppetry-wikipedia-bell-pottinger-tim-ireland/#comment-290571</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland (@bloggerheads)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=15708#comment-290571</guid>
		<description>To be clear: I intend no gaming of the system in any way. People who publish extracts of the book will produce posts that will each be judged according to their merits (while collectively we will be judged on our collective merit). All of this material is relevant to queries specific to Tim Bell, and am confident that Google will offer enough diversity in the top ten so as to not inconvenience other Tim Bells currently competing in the UK for this space (presently hovering just outside the top 8 in Google UK).

Further, unlike Bell Pottinger&#039;s Tim Bell and his associates, I will be both overt and transparent in my efforts. I cannot speak for others, but that is a risk that Tim Bell chooses to take if he considers covert publicity to be a reasonable tactic; support for use of anonymous accounts to publish extracts will fall away sharply if it is seen to be unfair, and that can only happen if Tim Bell embraces transparency.

Thanks for your interest in the project. Judging by today&#039;s indications, Tim Bell plans to tough it out, so shortly I expect we will move on to proof on concept on the Very Big Stick, before speaking quietly to major PR bodies and players in the hopes that their positive response to transparency in Wikipedia edits this will echo down through the ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear: I intend no gaming of the system in any way. People who publish extracts of the book will produce posts that will each be judged according to their merits (while collectively we will be judged on our collective merit). All of this material is relevant to queries specific to Tim Bell, and am confident that Google will offer enough diversity in the top ten so as to not inconvenience other Tim Bells currently competing in the UK for this space (presently hovering just outside the top 8 in Google UK).</p>
<p>Further, unlike Bell Pottinger&#8217;s Tim Bell and his associates, I will be both overt and transparent in my efforts. I cannot speak for others, but that is a risk that Tim Bell chooses to take if he considers covert publicity to be a reasonable tactic; support for use of anonymous accounts to publish extracts will fall away sharply if it is seen to be unfair, and that can only happen if Tim Bell embraces transparency.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest in the project. Judging by today&#8217;s indications, Tim Bell plans to tough it out, so shortly I expect we will move on to proof on concept on the Very Big Stick, before speaking quietly to major PR bodies and players in the hopes that their positive response to transparency in Wikipedia edits this will echo down through the ranks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2012/01/16/sockpuppetry-wikipedia-bell-pottinger-tim-ireland/#comment-290182</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=15708#comment-290182</guid>
		<description>Read Tim&#039;s post in full and you&#039;ll see the argument behind the methods. I don&#039;t think he&#039;s claiming that his methods are any different - he&#039;s claiming that if Tim Bell really thinks Bell Pottinger&#039;s covert methods are fine, then he won&#039;t mind other people using the same methods to &#039;shape public perception&#039; of Tim Bell. He also makes it very clear that the information they will be blogging about will be relevant (so in that sense it&#039;s actually not exactly the same). From a journalistic POV, I think he&#039;s making visible information which is so far not visible online, which is for me one of the roles of journalism in a digital age. 

I&#039;ve not said whether I agree with the tactic or not - because I&#039;m not entirely sure myself. I&#039;m not entirely sure if the aim is to change Tim&#039;s mind, to show others that he cannot shape public perception, or to create a media spectacle where Tim starts criticising others for exactly the same techniques that he&#039;s been defending. Perhaps it&#039;s all three.

But I think it&#039;s interesting - and that&#039;s why I&#039;m posting about it. I&#039;ve written before about SEO as a public service, and I think this raises the same question: is it justified to seek to make search engine results more reflective of the evidence on a particular issue, person or organisation? Put another way, if you thought someone had edited a Wikipedia entry to promote a particular cause or point of view, would you seek to correct it? Is that what Tim Ireland is doing here, but on the level of search results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Tim&#8217;s post in full and you&#8217;ll see the argument behind the methods. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s claiming that his methods are any different &#8211; he&#8217;s claiming that if Tim Bell really thinks Bell Pottinger&#8217;s covert methods are fine, then he won&#8217;t mind other people using the same methods to &#8216;shape public perception&#8217; of Tim Bell. He also makes it very clear that the information they will be blogging about will be relevant (so in that sense it&#8217;s actually not exactly the same). From a journalistic POV, I think he&#8217;s making visible information which is so far not visible online, which is for me one of the roles of journalism in a digital age. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not said whether I agree with the tactic or not &#8211; because I&#8217;m not entirely sure myself. I&#8217;m not entirely sure if the aim is to change Tim&#8217;s mind, to show others that he cannot shape public perception, or to create a media spectacle where Tim starts criticising others for exactly the same techniques that he&#8217;s been defending. Perhaps it&#8217;s all three.</p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s interesting &#8211; and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m posting about it. I&#8217;ve written before about SEO as a public service, and I think this raises the same question: is it justified to seek to make search engine results more reflective of the evidence on a particular issue, person or organisation? Put another way, if you thought someone had edited a Wikipedia entry to promote a particular cause or point of view, would you seek to correct it? Is that what Tim Ireland is doing here, but on the level of search results?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: hobson</title>
		<link>http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2012/01/16/sockpuppetry-wikipedia-bell-pottinger-tim-ireland/#comment-290136</link>
		<dc:creator>hobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://onlinejournalismblog.com/?p=15708#comment-290136</guid>
		<description>&quot;The lobbying group will be drawing attention to Bell Pottinger’s techniques by displacing some of the current top ten search results for ‘Tim Bell’ (“absurd puff pieces”) with “factually accurate and highly relevant material that Tim Bell would much rather faded into the distance” – specifically, the contents of an unauthorised biography of Bell, currently “largely invisible” to Google.&quot;

Wait, his campaign plans to attempt to manipulate Google&#039;s results? Is this any better than what the PR is company is doing in the first place? Do you think it&#039;s different because you agree with his cause, Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The lobbying group will be drawing attention to Bell Pottinger’s techniques by displacing some of the current top ten search results for ‘Tim Bell’ (“absurd puff pieces”) with “factually accurate and highly relevant material that Tim Bell would much rather faded into the distance” – specifically, the contents of an unauthorised biography of Bell, currently “largely invisible” to Google.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait, his campaign plans to attempt to manipulate Google&#8217;s results? Is this any better than what the PR is company is doing in the first place? Do you think it&#8217;s different because you agree with his cause, Paul?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

