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		<title>BASIC Principles of Online Journalism: C is for Community &amp; Conversation (pt1: Community)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the final parts of this series I look at two concepts that have become increasingly central to online journalism in the post-Web 2.0 era: community and conversation. I look at why journalists need to understand how both have changed, how they are linked, and how to embrace them in your work processes. Conversation and community have always been the<br /><span class="read_more"><a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/15/basic-principles-of-online-journalism-c-is-for-community-conversation-pt1-community/">Read more...</a></span>]]></description>
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<p><em>In the final parts of <a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/tag/basic-principles/">this series</a> I look at two concepts that have become increasingly central to online journalism in the post-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0?referer=');">Web 2.0</a> era: <strong>community and </strong></em><strong><em>conversation</em></strong><em>. I look at why journalists need to understand how both have changed, how they are linked, and how to embrace them in your work processes.<br />
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<p>Conversation and community have always been the lifeblood of journalism. Good journalism has always sought to serve a community; commercially, journalism has always needed large or affluent communities to support it. And good journalism &#8211; whether informative or sensationalist &#8211; has always generated conversation.<span id="more-6"></span></p>
<p>Now, in a hyperlinked world, community and conversation are more important than ever.</p>
<p>But they have also <strong>changed</strong>.</p>
<h3>The community is now the media</h3>
<p>The bar has been raised.</p>
<p>In a networked world the faceless, passive, amorphous masses of print and broadcast journalism are an anachronism. Journalists can no longer stand outside communities supplying them with information. Communities can supply themselves &#8211; and each other &#8211; thank you very much:</p>
<ul>
<li>When your former audience has the same tools as you to publish, publishing isn&#8217;t your unique selling point.</li>
<li>When they have access to the same information, newsgathering isn&#8217;t your unique selling point.</li>
<li>And when they can pass on news at the click of a button, even distribution isn&#8217;t your unique selling point.</li>
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<p>When your community has this much power (if this is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_ink" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_ink?referer=');">Green Ink Brigade</a> they have undergone significant rearmament), you are best advised to stop trying to beat them, and start learning how to join them &#8211; or at least form a peaceful alliance.</p>
<p>Journalists <strong>need </strong>communities more than ever before &#8211; not just as buyers, but as <a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2007/10/02/a-model-for-the-21st-century-newsroom-pt2-distributed-journalism/">active contributors, moderators, and editors</a>: a 21st century &#8216;news organisation&#8217; doesn&#8217;t have walls; it has networks. And persuading users to join your network is one of the biggest challenges facing journalists. For some online journalists, it is becoming the core of their job.</p>
<h3><strong>&#8220;Community organising IS media&#8221;<br />
</strong></h3>
<p>David Cohn <a href="http://www.digidave.org/adventures_in_freelancing/2008/08/community-organ.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.digidave.org/adventures_in_freelancing/2008/08/community-organ.html?referer=');">puts it this way</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s often said that the job description for journalists are changing and that part of the new job is &#8216;community manager&#8217; &#8211; sometimes called the &#8216;network weaver.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;What they do is organize communities &#8211; and while it might not FEEL like media, it is. We may not call them &#8220;journalists&#8221; but they are helping to inform citizens so they can make decisions in a healthy democracy. They collect, filter and distribute information. Sounds like journalism to me.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>But it&#8217;s far from easy, and requires a change of focus.</p>
<p>While news organisations have lost their monopolies on publishing, information and distribution, journalists can still contribute to a community on a number of important fronts:</p>
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<li><strong>Time</strong>: whereas most users can only contribute to a community in their spare time, a professional journalist employed as a community manager is paid to do the job full time, has more time for &#8216;social grooming&#8217;, and <a href="http://laserlike.com/2008/05/26/dunbars-number-social-networks-and-social-productivity/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/laserlike.com/2008/05/26/dunbars-number-social-networks-and-social-productivity/?referer=');">can break Dunbar&#8217;s limit on group size</a>. In <a href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html?referer=');">the 1-9-90 rule</a>, journalists can be part of the 1% who are heavy contributors (the other 9% are occasional contributors, and the final 90% do not contribute).</li>
<li><strong>Experience</strong>: for the same reason, journalists &#8211; particularly those who move into community management &#8211; are likely to have more experience of organising, motivating, and communicating with people (if they haven&#8217;t, they need to start building it).</li>
<li><strong>An eye across a number of sectors</strong>: journalists cannot always compete on expertise &#8211; they are generally paid to be &#8216;jacks of all trades&#8217;, generalists who can move from motoring to business news &#8211; but this has its advantages in having contacts across sectors and sometimes seeing the bigger picture.</li>
<li><strong>Financial support</strong>: it can be tempting to believe that &#8216;if you build it, they will come&#8217;, to trust in throwing money at technology to serve up a platform that will attract users. But it&#8217;s not that simple. A <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/07/16/why-most-online-communities-fail/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/07/16/why-most-online-communities-fail/?referer=');">recent study</a> found that despite 6% of commercially built online communities having over $1 million spent on them, “A disturbingly high number of these sites fail.” Why? &#8220;Businesses launching online communities repeat a series of blunders. First, they have a tendency to get seduced by bells and whistles and blow their online-community budget on technology. Businesses [should] spend resources identifying and reaching out to potential community members instead of investing in software that makes predictions, or even social-networking technology.&#8221;</li>
<li><strong>A brand</strong>: think of it as the big 19th century statue in the city centre: not useful in itself, but an obvious landmark to congregate around. News websites have the advantage of thousands of existing users, and so don&#8217;t have to build from scratch. But the brand can be as much of a handicap as an advantage. It means users come with a number of preconceptions about your motivations (commercial; mercenary), previous bad experiences, and expectations (what&#8217;s in it for me?). These all need to be addressed very early on.</li>
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<p>Plug these into community management and there is the potential for success &#8211; but this is only part of the picture. Another part is a change in how we see community in the first place.</p>
<h3>When is a community a community?</h3>
<p>Too often community is used as a synonym for &#8216;market&#8217;. A community of &#8220;middle aged upper class readers in Newstown&#8221; is not a community: that&#8217;s a demographic. &#8220;First time dads in Newsdistrict&#8221; are more likely to be a community. Indeed, so is &#8220;first time dads&#8221;, and that&#8217;s why magazines seem to have an easier time of this, focusing as they do on:</p>
<ul>
<li>Communities based on shared passions or hobbies</li>
<li>Communities based on shared beliefs</li>
<li>Communities based on shared employment</li>
</ul>
<p>But with the web we can go further still:</p>
<ul>
<li>Communities based on shared history (e.g. school, event)</li>
<li>Communities based on shared problem</li>
<li>Communities based on shared cause</li>
</ul>
<p>These markets were too small and/or too volatile previously to support a publication &#8211; now that&#8217;s no longer the case. The costs of publishing online are so low, and the lead-in times so instant, that it has become incredibly easy to set up a publication aimed at a community almost as quickly as that community forms &#8211; or even before.</p>
<p>In comparison, the idea of setting up a publication to serve &#8216;news&#8217; to people living within a 50-mile radius becomes unsustainably generic in an online environment: the individual communities that make up that market can be picked off one by one.</p>
<p>So. All that talk about &#8220;serving the community&#8221;? Now journalists need to prove they mean it. Through providing <strong>information</strong>, yes &#8211; but also <strong>support, tools and platforms</strong>, something that Flickr, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter and YouTube woke up to long ago.</p>
<p>Whatever you do, you need to start by joining a community&#8217;s conversations.</p>
<p><a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/09/18/basic-principles-of-online-journalism-c-is-for-community-conversation-pt2-conversation/"><strong>Read part two: Conversations on Thursday</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>Should journalism degrees still prepare students for a news industry that doesn&#8217;t want them?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATE (Aug 7 &#8217;08): The Annual Survey of Journalism &#38; Mass Communication Graduates suggests employment opportunities and salaries are not affected. J-schools are generally set up to prepare students for the mainstream news industry: print and broadcasting, with a growing focus on those industries&#8217; online arms. There&#8217;s just one small problem. That industry isn&#8217;t exactly splashing out on job ads<br /><span class="read_more"><a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/07/23/should-journalism-degrees-still-prepare-students-for-a-news-industry-that-doesnt-want-them/">Read more...</a></span>]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>UPDATE</strong> (Aug 7 &#8217;08): The <em><a href="http://www.grady.uga.edu/annualsurveys/Graduate_Survey/Graduate_2007/GradReport2007_PDF_v2.pdf" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.grady.uga.edu/annualsurveys/Graduate_Survey/Graduate_2007/GradReport2007_PDF_v2.pdf?referer=');">Annual Survey of Journalism &amp; Mass Communication Graduates </a></em>suggests employment opportunities and salaries <a href="http://advancingthestory.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/journalism-and-mass-comm-grads-still-getting-jobs/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/advancingthestory.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/journalism-and-mass-comm-grads-still-getting-jobs/?referer=');">are not affected</a>.</em></p>
<p>J-schools are generally set up to prepare students for the mainstream news industry: print and broadcasting, with a growing focus on those industries&#8217; online arms. There&#8217;s just one small problem. That industry isn&#8217;t exactly splashing out on job ads at the moment&#8230;</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-times3-2008jul03,0,657523.story" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-times3-2008jul03_0_657523.story?referer=');">LA Times is cutting 150 editorial jobs</a> and reducing pages by 15%; <span><span>The <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_9898685" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_9898685?referer=');">Atlanta Journal-Constitution cutting nearly 200 jobs</a></span></span>; the <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/?referer=');">Wall Street Journal cutting 50 jobs</a>; Thomson Reuters <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/19/reuters.mediabusiness" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/19/reuters.mediabusiness?referer=');">axing 140 jobs</a>; in the UK <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/25/newsquest.pressandpublishing1" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/25/newsquest.pressandpublishing1?referer=');">Newsquest is outsourcing prepress work to India</a>, while also cutting<a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41446" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41446&amp;referer=');"> jobs in York</a> and <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41676" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41676&amp;referer=');">Brighton</a>; <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/?referer=');">Reed Business Information</a>, <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressgazette.co.uk%2Fstory.asp%3Fsectioncode%3D1%26storycode%3D41550%26c%3D1&amp;ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN&amp;usg=AFQjCNHwVBm2nMBGo-aUTb11hs0dTqtS1Q&amp;sig2=fI7hxql672eBeqo_WK0fiQ" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t_amp_ct=res_amp_cd=1_amp_url=http_3A_2F_2Fwww.pressgazette.co.uk_2Fstory.asp_3Fsectioncode_3D1_26storycode_3D41550_26c_3D1_amp_ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN_amp_usg=AFQjCNHwVBm2nMBGo-aUTb11hs0dTqtS1Q_amp_sig2=fI7hxql672eBeqo_WK0fiQ&amp;referer=');">Trinity Mirror</a> <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=7&amp;storycode=41509" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=7_amp_storycode=41509&amp;referer=');">and IPC</a> are all putting a freeze on recruitment, with Trinity Mirror also <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fmedia%2F2008%2Fjul%2F01%2Fmirror.trainees&amp;ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN&amp;usg=AFQjCNFhxc19E7ci3mS8UIE5zYQZj9ZIsQ&amp;sig2=igmE3wi4zGwGl8W4t01wYA" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t_amp_ct=res_amp_cd=3_amp_url=http_3A_2F_2Fwww.guardian.co.uk_2Fmedia_2F2008_2Fjul_2F01_2Fmirror.trainees_amp_ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN_amp_usg=AFQjCNFhxc19E7ci3mS8UIE5zYQZj9ZIsQ_amp_sig2=igmE3wi4zGwGl8W4t01wYA&amp;referer=');">cancelling its graduate training scheme</a> and <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41598&amp;c=1" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41598_amp_c=1&amp;referer=');">cutting subbing jobs</a>. <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41732&amp;c=1" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41732_amp_c=1&amp;referer=');">In the past two months almost 4,000 jobs have vanished at US newspapers </a>(<a href="http://recoveringjournalist.typepad.com/recovering_journalist/2008/06/death-of-almost-1000-cuts.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/recoveringjournalist.typepad.com/recovering_journalist/2008/06/death-of-almost-1000-cuts.html?referer=');">Mark Potts has this breakdown of June&#8217;s 1000 US redundancies)</a>. In the past ten years the number of journalists in the US is said to have gone down by 25%.</p>
<p>Given these depressing stats I&#8217;ve been conducting a form of open &#8216;panel discussion&#8217; format via Seesmic with a number of journalists and academics, asking whether journalism schools ought to revisit their assumptions about graduate destinations &#8211; and therefore what they teach. The main thread is below.</p>
<p><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span><a href="http://seesmic.com" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com?referer=');"><img style="border:none" src="http://seesmic.com/images/spacer.gif" border="0" alt="" width="100%" height="29" /></a></span></span></p>
<p>The responses are worth browsing through. Here&#8217;s my attempt at a digest:<span id="more-1177"></span></p>
<p>There is a general agreement that this is just the beginning of something very serious indeed.<a href="http://seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb?referer=');"> Alison Gow</a>, a journalist at the Liverpool Post, described recent events as the &#8220;first rattle of pebbles before the avalanche that follows&#8221;; Kevin Anderson of The Guardian <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/3wtRZo5d5a" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/3wtRZo5d5a?referer=');">doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unrealistic</a> for me to talk about a &#8216;worst case scenario&#8217; in three years&#8217; time where many newspapers fail and recruitment is zero.</p>
<p>Kevin draws parallels with the downsizing of IT industry and a need for multiskilling &#8211; subbing, writing, etc. <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/XleIMk05g5" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/XleIMk05g5?referer=');">Jo Geary</a> at the Birmingham Post says &#8220;students now shouldn&#8217;t be educated for media organisations as exist now&#8221; and that they should also be made aware that newspapers are not what they think they are. My experience with students supports this: they tend to come onto the degree with a rather outdated, &#8216;monomedium&#8217; view of working in journalism.</p>
<p>There is a general desire for the news industry to start working harder to attract graduates who can help steer it through the coming shift. Andy Dickinson says the university system and students <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/wQ9V2ykjoi" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/wQ9V2ykjoi?referer=');">have been underwriting the training and development of the news industry for a long time</a>. The industry needs to make it more attractive for students to make the financial sacrifice. That includes making it more exciting to work there and &#8220;not something out of the 1920s&#8221;. Alison Gow points out that journalism graduates <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb?referer=');">will have the choice between having their own website and joining a newsgathering organisation</a>, which gives them a stronger bargaining position and hopefully better salaries. As an industry we will need these people and will need to provide packages that make it an attractive place to work.</p>
<p>There is also a healthy journalistic scepticism about some of the figures: Jo Geary asks how many of the redundancies are production staff, and how many content creators. I wonder whether the oft-touted stat on the decline of American journalists is so severe because it only looks at the mainstream media and at those with the &#8216;journalist/reporter&#8217; job title. Does it overlook a rise in the likes of community editors, content moderators, multimedia producers and web editors?</p>
<p>In the light of that, there are still jobs in the industry. Andy Dickinson makes the distinction between &#8220;training people that the news industry <em>wants</em>, and training people that the news industry <em>needs</em>.&#8221; Sarah Hartley of the Manchester Evening News <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/XUe6q1LaYZ" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/XUe6q1LaYZ?referer=');">points out</a> that newspapers have multimedia arms, TV stations, and radio stations. &#8220;You should prepare students for news organisations, not newspapers. They should be flexible, able to work in different formats.&#8221; She notes the biggest shift in newsgathering and news production and that the role &#8220;may be more to curate or manage content created outside of the news organisation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neil MacDonald at the Liverpool Post <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/LIyuLhJbS3" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/LIyuLhJbS3?referer=');">stirred things up by asking </a>&#8220;Why would an aspiring journalist now do a journalism degree? The industry will have been transformed by the time you graduate. What can you learn in three years that you can&#8217;t in one?&#8221; Online journalist Patrick Thornton <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/N0uFQAfSd2" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/N0uFQAfSd2?referer=');">would not hire the majority of journalism graduates</a> and said &#8220;Most J-schools are obsolete&#8221;. Journalism entrepreneur and founder of <a href="http://Spot.us" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/Spot.us?referer=');">Spot.us</a> David Cohn <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/LQkLuYeGZK" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/LQkLuYeGZK?referer=');">said </a>that, while he doesn&#8217;t regret studying his Masters in journalism at Columbia, he wouldn&#8217;t do it now. &#8220;The job description is changing, but universities aren&#8217;t adapting to change the changing mindset and skillset.&#8221;</p>
<p>Andy Dickinson and I both shared the view that the old 12-week training course just will not suffice in the modern environment; that the news industry <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/4qFXxliLIu" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/4qFXxliLIu?referer=');">needs to get over its snobbery about journalism and media degree graduates</a> who have studied the theory as well as the practice, because these are the people who can &#8216;think outside the box&#8217; about the industry&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>The increasingly diverse nature of the journalism &#8216;job&#8217; presents an increasing range of elements that need to be taught &#8211; and a decreasing amount of space to do so. In this context it&#8217;s about teaching &#8216;mindset, not skillset&#8217;, as Kevin Anderson, <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/dG32ZdJfL8" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/dG32ZdJfL8?referer=');">Mark Comerford</a>, Andy Dickinson, David Cohn and others pointed out.</p>
<p>Kevin perhaps put it best when he said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;So many journalists think &#8216;If I&#8217;m a good writer, that&#8217;s all I need&#8217;. That&#8217;s bullshit. There is an arrogance among journalists about the craft of writing. Journalism students will need more than the ability to craft a good sentence.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s also about separating teaching journalism as a process from teaching it as a type of production, as Reed&#8217;s <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/yRuxs9wYem" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/yRuxs9wYem?referer=');">Adam Tinworth put it</a> <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf?referer=');">and JD Lasica</a>. It&#8217;s a great point &#8211; but complicated by the question that in a new media age, are the two increasingly one and the same? (This very debate is an act of the journalism process being published).</p>
<p>There is a general view that entrepreneurial and business skills should be taught.  Kevin Anderson points out that this is the biggest opportunity for journalists to build a business. David Cohn says this hasn&#8217;t happened  &#8220;Partly because news organisations have a culture similar to the military, there&#8217;s a chain of command and no leeway to make your own decisions. Journalism schools are equally structured.&#8221; Anika <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/vlqFPwVlgh" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/vlqFPwVlgh?referer=');">says </a>universities should show students how to better market themselves. Tom, a freelance journalist in China, <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/v9znhMCzeg" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/v9znhMCzeg?referer=');">thinks </a>learning other languages will be increasingly important. JD Lasica <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf?referer=');">thinks we need journalists who can reinvent the industry</a>.</p>
<p>And Emap&#8217;s David Cushman emphasised the importance of teaching students how to build partnerships and <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/7AJUrirnNY" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/7AJUrirnNY?referer=');">added the observation</a> that &#8220;everything is in beta now&#8221; &#8211; university courses should be no different.</p>
<p><strong>The conversation remains open -</strong> I&#8217;d love to know your thoughts either <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/FaetotnpDE" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/FaetotnpDE?referer=');">via video on Seesmic </a>or in the comments below. I&#8217;ll update this post as new replies come in. You can also find comments on blog posts <a href="http://fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2008/07/are-journalism-students-being-equipped.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2008/07/are-journalism-students-being-equipped.html?referer=');">by David Cushman</a> and <a href="http://www.andydickinson.net/2008/07/22/seesmic-and-the-newspaper-debate/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.andydickinson.net/2008/07/22/seesmic-and-the-newspaper-debate/?referer=');">Andy Dickinson</a>.</p>
<p>Note: Kevin Anderson posted via YouTube and so his replies (and mine to his) aren&#8217;t included in the thread above, so it&#8217;s embedded separately below:</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: JD Lasica has added <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf?referer=');">his response, &#8216;The Great Decoupling</a>&#8216; separately &#8211; also embedded below:</p>
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