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		<title>Guardian makes its comments accessible, SEO friendly and mobile friendly all in one go!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>malcolm coles</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Guardian has changed its user-generated comment system &#8211; moving from a client-side system to a server-side one. (This story was first published here, where you can read a bit more of the background.) With the old system, once you loaded a story, some javascript would go off and look up readers&#8217; comments and display [...]]]></description>
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<p>The Guardian has <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/help/insideguardian/2009/nov/04/comment-changes" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/help/insideguardian/2009/nov/04/comment-changes?referer=');">changed its user-generated comment system</a> &#8211; moving from a client-side system to a server-side one. (This story was <a href="http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/guardian-comments-accessible-seo-friendly/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/guardian-comments-accessible-seo-friendly/?referer=');">first published here</a>, where you can read a bit more of the background.)</p>
<p>With the old system, once you loaded a story, some javascript would go off and look up readers&#8217; comments and display them. This <a href="http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/the-guardian-and-accessibility/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/the-guardian-and-accessibility/?referer=');">wasn&#8217;t terribly accessible</a> &#8211; <strong>if you couldn&#8217;t or didn&#8217;t run javascript, you couldn&#8217;t see the comments</strong>.</p>
<p>It was also bad for SEO, as search engines couldn&#8217;t run the javascript (so couldn&#8217;t see the comments). And if your mobile didn&#8217;t run javascript (like mine), you couldn&#8217;t read the comments either.</p>
<p>With the new system, the comments are just part of the web page, like all the rest of the text.</p>
<p>This is a great change by the Guardian, and not before time. Google has already started to index the text of comments, as <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=imp&amp;num=50&amp;q=site%3Aguardian.co.uk+%22If+you+want+an+example+of+when+brands+can+go+wrong+on+twitter%2C+check+this+one+out.+I+think+you+need+to+read+the+tweets+before+your+eply+to+them+...%22&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en_amp_client=firefox-a_amp_rls=org.mozilla_3Aen-US_3Aofficial_amp_hs=imp_amp_num=50_amp_q=site_3Aguardian.co.uk+_22If+you+want+an+example+of+when+brands+can+go+wrong+on+twitter_2C+check+this+one+out.+I+think+you+need+to+read+the+tweets+before+your+eply+to+them+..._22_amp_btnG=Search_amp_meta=_amp_aq=f_amp_oq=&amp;referer=');">this search for some text I left as a comment once</a> shows.</p>
<p>If you notice any problems, they&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/help/insideguardian/2009/nov/04/comment-changes" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/help/insideguardian/2009/nov/04/comment-changes?referer=');">asked you to point them out</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
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		<title>Economist gets PageRank wrist-slap from Google</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Wardman has an interesting post on the Economist having its PageRank cut by Google (translation: Google punishes Economist for unknown transgression by giving its website less importance and therefore, probably, lower ranking). Here&#8217;s what he says: It seems that they have made a basic mistake of selling text links on the home page, which [...]]]></description>
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<p>Matt Wardman has an interesting <a href="http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/04/27/has-google-canned-the-economist-in-search-rankings-blog-platform/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/04/27/has-google-canned-the-economist-in-search-rankings-blog-platform/?referer=');">post on the Economist having its PageRank cut by Google</a> (<em>translation</em>: <a class="zem_slink" title="Google Search" rel="homepage" href="http://www.google.com/" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.com/?referer=');">Google</a> punishes <a class="zem_slink" title="The Economist" rel="homepage" href="http://www.economist.com/" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.economist.com/?referer=');">Economist</a> for unknown transgression by giving its website less importance and therefore, probably, lower ranking).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what he says:<span id="more-781"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>It seems that they have made a basic mistake of selling text links on the home page, which bear no real relation to the content of the page &#8211; and then by leaving simple “links” in place which will enhance the position of those client sites in Google.</p>
<p>Both practices are <a title="Paid Links and Google" href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/?referer=');">resolutely opposed by Google</a> (<a title="Google and Paid Text Links" href="http://www.searchenginejournal.com/matt-cutts-update-on-paid-links-discussion-qa/4907/" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.searchenginejournal.com/matt-cutts-update-on-paid-links-discussion-qa/4907/?referer=');">summary</a>), and <a title="2005 Policy" href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-links-and-pagerank/" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-links-and-pagerank/?referer=');">have been for some time</a>.</p>
<p>Here is a screen shot of the bottom of the Economist home page this lunchtime:</p>
<p align="center"><a href="http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/200802427-economist-text-link-ads1.jpg" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.mattwardman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/200802427-economist-text-link-ads1.jpg?referer=');"><img src="http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/200802427-economist-text-link-ads-small.jpg" alt="200802427-economist-text-link-ads" width="460" height="110" /></a></p>
<p>The list of advertisers is areas which are often found trying to gain advantage in the <a class="zem_slink" title="Web search engine" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine?referer=');">search engines</a> by link buying.</p>
<p>&#8230; multiple links to the same site, a mass of keywords, and they are simple links that pass pagerank.</p>
<p>&#8230; There seem to be several <del>howlers</del>mistakes:</p>
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<div>Text links being sold to <a class="zem_slink" title="Advertising" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising?referer=');">advertising</a> Clients not particularly relevant to the page. Bearing in mind that the practice has been under fire from Google for some considerable time, that was asking for trouble.</div>
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<div>Allowing those links to be visible to search engines. The recommendation is to add a “<a title="Nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow?referer=');">nofollow</a>” attribute to the links, use <a title="Javascript" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript?referer=');">Javascript</a>, or to use a <a title="Redirect URL" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection?referer=');">redirect</a>.</div>
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<div>To do this with Credit Checking Services and “Cheap Loan” Finance companies seems &#8211; on top of the above &#8211; to be like running a red-flag up the flagpole for the sake of it.</div>
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<p>&#8230; The moral? Take great care when you implement adverts and text links: you are in bed with an <a title="Google the Heffelump" href="http://www.google.com/" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.com/?referer=');">elephant</a>.</p></blockquote>
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