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		<title>Should journalism degrees still prepare students for a news industry that doesn&#8217;t want them?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATE (Aug 7 &#8217;08): The Annual Survey of Journalism &#38; Mass Communication Graduates suggests employment opportunities and salaries are not affected. J-schools are generally set up to prepare students for the mainstream news industry: print and broadcasting, with a growing focus on those industries&#8217; online arms. There&#8217;s just one small problem. That industry isn&#8217;t exactly splashing out on job ads<br /><span class="read_more"><a href="http://onlinejournalismblog.com/2008/07/23/should-journalism-degrees-still-prepare-students-for-a-news-industry-that-doesnt-want-them/">Read more...</a></span>]]></description>
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<p><em><strong>UPDATE</strong> (Aug 7 &#8217;08): The <em><a href="http://www.grady.uga.edu/annualsurveys/Graduate_Survey/Graduate_2007/GradReport2007_PDF_v2.pdf" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.grady.uga.edu/annualsurveys/Graduate_Survey/Graduate_2007/GradReport2007_PDF_v2.pdf?referer=');">Annual Survey of Journalism &amp; Mass Communication Graduates </a></em>suggests employment opportunities and salaries <a href="http://advancingthestory.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/journalism-and-mass-comm-grads-still-getting-jobs/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/advancingthestory.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/journalism-and-mass-comm-grads-still-getting-jobs/?referer=');">are not affected</a>.</em></p>
<p>J-schools are generally set up to prepare students for the mainstream news industry: print and broadcasting, with a growing focus on those industries&#8217; online arms. There&#8217;s just one small problem. That industry isn&#8217;t exactly splashing out on job ads at the moment&#8230;</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-times3-2008jul03,0,657523.story" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-times3-2008jul03_0_657523.story?referer=');">LA Times is cutting 150 editorial jobs</a> and reducing pages by 15%; <span><span>The <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_9898685" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_9898685?referer=');">Atlanta Journal-Constitution cutting nearly 200 jobs</a></span></span>; the <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/?referer=');">Wall Street Journal cutting 50 jobs</a>; Thomson Reuters <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/19/reuters.mediabusiness" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/19/reuters.mediabusiness?referer=');">axing 140 jobs</a>; in the UK <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/25/newsquest.pressandpublishing1" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/25/newsquest.pressandpublishing1?referer=');">Newsquest is outsourcing prepress work to India</a>, while also cutting<a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41446" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41446&amp;referer=');"> jobs in York</a> and <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41676" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41676&amp;referer=');">Brighton</a>; <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2008/07/16/wall-street-journal-cuts-and-pastes/?referer=');">Reed Business Information</a>, <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressgazette.co.uk%2Fstory.asp%3Fsectioncode%3D1%26storycode%3D41550%26c%3D1&amp;ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN&amp;usg=AFQjCNHwVBm2nMBGo-aUTb11hs0dTqtS1Q&amp;sig2=fI7hxql672eBeqo_WK0fiQ" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t_amp_ct=res_amp_cd=1_amp_url=http_3A_2F_2Fwww.pressgazette.co.uk_2Fstory.asp_3Fsectioncode_3D1_26storycode_3D41550_26c_3D1_amp_ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN_amp_usg=AFQjCNHwVBm2nMBGo-aUTb11hs0dTqtS1Q_amp_sig2=fI7hxql672eBeqo_WK0fiQ&amp;referer=');">Trinity Mirror</a> <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=7&amp;storycode=41509" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=7_amp_storycode=41509&amp;referer=');">and IPC</a> are all putting a freeze on recruitment, with Trinity Mirror also <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fmedia%2F2008%2Fjul%2F01%2Fmirror.trainees&amp;ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN&amp;usg=AFQjCNFhxc19E7ci3mS8UIE5zYQZj9ZIsQ&amp;sig2=igmE3wi4zGwGl8W4t01wYA" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t_amp_ct=res_amp_cd=3_amp_url=http_3A_2F_2Fwww.guardian.co.uk_2Fmedia_2F2008_2Fjul_2F01_2Fmirror.trainees_amp_ei=bJ1_SN3ID4LGQbGY-cYN_amp_usg=AFQjCNFhxc19E7ci3mS8UIE5zYQZj9ZIsQ_amp_sig2=igmE3wi4zGwGl8W4t01wYA&amp;referer=');">cancelling its graduate training scheme</a> and <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41598&amp;c=1" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41598_amp_c=1&amp;referer=');">cutting subbing jobs</a>. <a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=41732&amp;c=1" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1_amp_storycode=41732_amp_c=1&amp;referer=');">In the past two months almost 4,000 jobs have vanished at US newspapers </a>(<a href="http://recoveringjournalist.typepad.com/recovering_journalist/2008/06/death-of-almost-1000-cuts.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/recoveringjournalist.typepad.com/recovering_journalist/2008/06/death-of-almost-1000-cuts.html?referer=');">Mark Potts has this breakdown of June&#8217;s 1000 US redundancies)</a>. In the past ten years the number of journalists in the US is said to have gone down by 25%.</p>
<p>Given these depressing stats I&#8217;ve been conducting a form of open &#8216;panel discussion&#8217; format via Seesmic with a number of journalists and academics, asking whether journalism schools ought to revisit their assumptions about graduate destinations &#8211; and therefore what they teach. The main thread is below.</p>
<p><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span><a href="http://seesmic.com" target="_blank" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com?referer=');"><img style="border:none" src="http://seesmic.com/images/spacer.gif" border="0" alt="" width="100%" height="29" /></a></span></span></p>
<p>The responses are worth browsing through. Here&#8217;s my attempt at a digest:<span id="more-1177"></span></p>
<p>There is a general agreement that this is just the beginning of something very serious indeed.<a href="http://seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb?referer=');"> Alison Gow</a>, a journalist at the Liverpool Post, described recent events as the &#8220;first rattle of pebbles before the avalanche that follows&#8221;; Kevin Anderson of The Guardian <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/3wtRZo5d5a" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/3wtRZo5d5a?referer=');">doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unrealistic</a> for me to talk about a &#8216;worst case scenario&#8217; in three years&#8217; time where many newspapers fail and recruitment is zero.</p>
<p>Kevin draws parallels with the downsizing of IT industry and a need for multiskilling &#8211; subbing, writing, etc. <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/XleIMk05g5" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/XleIMk05g5?referer=');">Jo Geary</a> at the Birmingham Post says &#8220;students now shouldn&#8217;t be educated for media organisations as exist now&#8221; and that they should also be made aware that newspapers are not what they think they are. My experience with students supports this: they tend to come onto the degree with a rather outdated, &#8216;monomedium&#8217; view of working in journalism.</p>
<p>There is a general desire for the news industry to start working harder to attract graduates who can help steer it through the coming shift. Andy Dickinson says the university system and students <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/wQ9V2ykjoi" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/wQ9V2ykjoi?referer=');">have been underwriting the training and development of the news industry for a long time</a>. The industry needs to make it more attractive for students to make the financial sacrifice. That includes making it more exciting to work there and &#8220;not something out of the 1920s&#8221;. Alison Gow points out that journalism graduates <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/ZMz9AFCGEb?referer=');">will have the choice between having their own website and joining a newsgathering organisation</a>, which gives them a stronger bargaining position and hopefully better salaries. As an industry we will need these people and will need to provide packages that make it an attractive place to work.</p>
<p>There is also a healthy journalistic scepticism about some of the figures: Jo Geary asks how many of the redundancies are production staff, and how many content creators. I wonder whether the oft-touted stat on the decline of American journalists is so severe because it only looks at the mainstream media and at those with the &#8216;journalist/reporter&#8217; job title. Does it overlook a rise in the likes of community editors, content moderators, multimedia producers and web editors?</p>
<p>In the light of that, there are still jobs in the industry. Andy Dickinson makes the distinction between &#8220;training people that the news industry <em>wants</em>, and training people that the news industry <em>needs</em>.&#8221; Sarah Hartley of the Manchester Evening News <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/XUe6q1LaYZ" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/XUe6q1LaYZ?referer=');">points out</a> that newspapers have multimedia arms, TV stations, and radio stations. &#8220;You should prepare students for news organisations, not newspapers. They should be flexible, able to work in different formats.&#8221; She notes the biggest shift in newsgathering and news production and that the role &#8220;may be more to curate or manage content created outside of the news organisation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neil MacDonald at the Liverpool Post <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/LIyuLhJbS3" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/LIyuLhJbS3?referer=');">stirred things up by asking </a>&#8220;Why would an aspiring journalist now do a journalism degree? The industry will have been transformed by the time you graduate. What can you learn in three years that you can&#8217;t in one?&#8221; Online journalist Patrick Thornton <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/N0uFQAfSd2" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/N0uFQAfSd2?referer=');">would not hire the majority of journalism graduates</a> and said &#8220;Most J-schools are obsolete&#8221;. Journalism entrepreneur and founder of <a href="http://Spot.us" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/Spot.us?referer=');">Spot.us</a> David Cohn <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/LQkLuYeGZK" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/LQkLuYeGZK?referer=');">said </a>that, while he doesn&#8217;t regret studying his Masters in journalism at Columbia, he wouldn&#8217;t do it now. &#8220;The job description is changing, but universities aren&#8217;t adapting to change the changing mindset and skillset.&#8221;</p>
<p>Andy Dickinson and I both shared the view that the old 12-week training course just will not suffice in the modern environment; that the news industry <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/4qFXxliLIu" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/4qFXxliLIu?referer=');">needs to get over its snobbery about journalism and media degree graduates</a> who have studied the theory as well as the practice, because these are the people who can &#8216;think outside the box&#8217; about the industry&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>The increasingly diverse nature of the journalism &#8216;job&#8217; presents an increasing range of elements that need to be taught &#8211; and a decreasing amount of space to do so. In this context it&#8217;s about teaching &#8216;mindset, not skillset&#8217;, as Kevin Anderson, <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/dG32ZdJfL8" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/dG32ZdJfL8?referer=');">Mark Comerford</a>, Andy Dickinson, David Cohn and others pointed out.</p>
<p>Kevin perhaps put it best when he said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;So many journalists think &#8216;If I&#8217;m a good writer, that&#8217;s all I need&#8217;. That&#8217;s bullshit. There is an arrogance among journalists about the craft of writing. Journalism students will need more than the ability to craft a good sentence.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s also about separating teaching journalism as a process from teaching it as a type of production, as Reed&#8217;s <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/yRuxs9wYem" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/yRuxs9wYem?referer=');">Adam Tinworth put it</a> <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf?referer=');">and JD Lasica</a>. It&#8217;s a great point &#8211; but complicated by the question that in a new media age, are the two increasingly one and the same? (This very debate is an act of the journalism process being published).</p>
<p>There is a general view that entrepreneurial and business skills should be taught.  Kevin Anderson points out that this is the biggest opportunity for journalists to build a business. David Cohn says this hasn&#8217;t happened  &#8220;Partly because news organisations have a culture similar to the military, there&#8217;s a chain of command and no leeway to make your own decisions. Journalism schools are equally structured.&#8221; Anika <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/vlqFPwVlgh" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/vlqFPwVlgh?referer=');">says </a>universities should show students how to better market themselves. Tom, a freelance journalist in China, <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/v9znhMCzeg" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/v9znhMCzeg?referer=');">thinks </a>learning other languages will be increasingly important. JD Lasica <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf?referer=');">thinks we need journalists who can reinvent the industry</a>.</p>
<p>And Emap&#8217;s David Cushman emphasised the importance of teaching students how to build partnerships and <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/7AJUrirnNY" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/7AJUrirnNY?referer=');">added the observation</a> that &#8220;everything is in beta now&#8221; &#8211; university courses should be no different.</p>
<p><strong>The conversation remains open -</strong> I&#8217;d love to know your thoughts either <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/FaetotnpDE" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/FaetotnpDE?referer=');">via video on Seesmic </a>or in the comments below. I&#8217;ll update this post as new replies come in. You can also find comments on blog posts <a href="http://fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2008/07/are-journalism-students-being-equipped.html" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/fasterfuture.blogspot.com/2008/07/are-journalism-students-being-equipped.html?referer=');">by David Cushman</a> and <a href="http://www.andydickinson.net/2008/07/22/seesmic-and-the-newspaper-debate/" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.andydickinson.net/2008/07/22/seesmic-and-the-newspaper-debate/?referer=');">Andy Dickinson</a>.</p>
<p>Note: Kevin Anderson posted via YouTube and so his replies (and mine to his) aren&#8217;t included in the thread above, so it&#8217;s embedded separately below:</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: JD Lasica has added <a href="http://seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/seesmic.com/v/6jI6eSRFxf?referer=');">his response, &#8216;The Great Decoupling</a>&#8216; separately &#8211; also embedded below:</p>
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