@azeem_a has just popped in to say “Take a break, man!” 03:26 PM April 04, 2008 from web in reply to Azeem_A
end chap8 – 3 more chaps + epilogue. Come on. 03:22 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
3) negative effects, e.g. Pro-Anorexic groups, newly robust criminal “networks” 03:21 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
2) current social bargains, e.g. rules over media coverage of an election 03:20 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
3 kinds of loss: people whose jobs relied on solving a formerly hard problem, e.g. the media 03:19 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@Reynolds why do you need to spell trebuchet? 03:17 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Reynolds |
Pro-anorexia groups on mag message boards – it’s not just groups “we approve of” 03:17 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
That’s why I did #jeecamp. Offline is the new online. 03:12 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Talking about Meetup – its success was in enabling online communities to meet offline. People want to meet. 03:11 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
#herecomeseverybody chap8: it’s the Prisoner’s Dilemma! 10 points to @petelewis 03:03 PM April 04, 2008 from web |
Talking about something called Twitter. Never heard of it. 02:59 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
O/T: Wishing I was in Texas. Wishing someone would pay for me to go to places like Texas. 02:56 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
another story: how radios helped the Germans (poorer kit, smaller army) beat the French in #WWII 02:54 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
“open source guerillas” http://tinyurl.com/5dekue 02:52 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@tomguarriello it’s an old model, yes, which is probably why I stop reading after 6 chapters normally… 02:51 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to tomguarriello |
#herecomeseverybody chap7 – more stories. Protests. Berlin Wall. Flash Mobs. 02:47 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
yes I’mstill reading the same book. end chap6 02:42 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Classic model for spread of disease: likelihood of infection, of contact between any two people, and overall population size 02:42 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
At this point #HCE is reading like another of those ‘illustrate the same point with 8 different stories’ books – e.g. Long Tail 02:35 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
chap6 – looking at the church it seems. 02:34 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
end Chap5. Don’t think I’ll finish this today. 02:30 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p139 “Wikipedia… replaces guarantees offered by institutions with probabilities supported by process” 02:12 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@petelewis always interested… 02:09 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to petelewis |
p137 “in the absence of a functioning community, a wiki will suffer from the Tragedy of the Commons, as the Wikitorial did.” 02:08 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
‘a wiki is a hybrid of tool and community’ I like that. And flickr. Facebook. Twitter… 02:07 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
it’s about context – AOL sued by its volunteers when its stock soared. Billy Bragg has a point about Bebo… 02:05 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Ultimatum game – http://tinyurl.com/2z9jjf 02:04 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
the Kilroy was here pleasure of changing something in the world (editing #Wikipedia) 02:01 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@stevebridger show off. 01:59 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to stevebridger |
So my blog is a wedding reception? (p130) I’m just being polite with those emails and tweets. I only invited you because you owe me money… 01:55 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
power law distributions tend to describe systems of interacting elements, rather than just collections of variable elements 01:53 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
here comes the long tail… 01:51 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
power law distribution curves – the imbalance drives large social systems. Makes sense, but where’s the evidence? 01:50 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Ch4 so far: wikipedia, the first wiki, and the importance of the rhetoric of ‘pedia’ in wikipedia’s success 01:49 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@stevebridger any comments to make so far? 01:49 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to stevebridger |
OK, back again. I cheated – read some of the book over a sandwich. 01:49 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Are you following the Twitter-review of #herecomeseverybody? If so tweet @paulbradshaw 01:11 PM April 04, 2008 from web |
New blog post: SFTW#5 http://tinyurl.com/2svx6s 01:10 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
End of chapt 4 – I’m off to write a blog post then dinner break (you might call it lunch). 12:38 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p107 first mention of the word ‘revolution’… not bad. 12:37 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
He says telephones were designed for conversation – that’s not strictly true: people tried to broadcast with them. 12:36 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p104 we now have media that supports making and sharing as well as consuming. 12:34 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@bounder about to take a break too… 12:33 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to bounder |
communities of practice – http://www.ewenger.com/theory/ 12:31 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
great Cory Doctorow quote: “onversation is king. Content is just something to talk about.” http://tinyurl.com/335tqp 12:30 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@bounder has leapt ahead of me. I should stop and just read his tweets 😉 12:29 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to bounder |
p95 “difference between conversational tools and broadcast tools was arbitrary, but difference between conversing and broadcasting is real” 12:23 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Human limits on attention… this is why I’m going to make OJB a group blog… as soon as I have the time 😀 12:20 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Must stop feeling guilty about unanswered emails… 12:17 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
This is why Cory Doctorow spends half of every day checking his emails, and has set up filters. 12:17 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@bounder is reading too… 12:15 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to bounder |
“even when a medium is two-way, its most popular practitioners will be forced into a one-way pattern.” 12:14 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p92 very good exploration of ‘cognitive’ limits of interactivity… 12:14 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@mattwardman pw? explain? 12:13 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to mattwardman |
@podnosh …but also terrifying: we don’t realise the power we have, and the importance, and the responsibility. 12:11 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to podnosh |
@podnosh I think that’s what makes this time so exciting – people have the opportunity to define the shape of the new. 12:11 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to podnosh |
in public but not for the public – e.g. livejournal and, I think, Twitter. 12:09 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Difference between ‘I love you’ on a letter and TV – didn’t Marshal McLuhan do that? (only with billboards) No attribution in notes at end. 12:04 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Ooh, broadcast media are ‘conceptually shaped’ like a megaphone; communications media ‘like a tube’ 12:01 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Chapter 4: more media, UGC 12:01 PM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@pinman very good idea. If this thing works I may try it with we think… 11:59 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to pinman
The term “scribe” disappeared as it no longer denoted a professional class. Methinks: will “journalist”? 11:53 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Scott Bradner: “The internet means you don’t have to convince anyone else that something is a good idea before trying it” 11:51 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
covering journalistic privilege and who is a professional photographer. Nice line on whistleblowing without whistleblowing. 11:49 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
social lag between technology and society. Old systems get broken long before new ones become stable 11:44 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
“from news as an institutional prerogative to news as part of a communications ecosystem” – it’s not news because news orgs say it is now 11:41 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
It’s the Trent Lott story again… 11:37 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p60 “the web didn’t introduce a new competitor into the old ecosystem, as USA Today had done. The web created a new ecosystem” 11:33 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@professorkim kinda – but he moved on from that example quite quickly. 11:31 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to professorkim |
hence, suing mp3 downloaders. 11:30 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
“…so preservation of the original problems became an economic imperative.” 11:29 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p59 I love this line: “The commercial viability of most media business involves providing [solutions to problems of moving content]… 11:29 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
But let’s not get into an argument over semantics. 11:27 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Chapter 3: media stuff. He seems to think journalists are “professionals”. Not sure everyone would agree, esp. NUJ. 11:26 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Readl examples of collective action online are still relatively rare. End of Chap 2. 11:17 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
aka problem of freeloaders. 11:14 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Collective action creates shared responsibility. “Tragedy of the commons”: http://tinyurl.com/4xobe 11:14 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Unlike sharing, cooperating “creates group identity” 11:09 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Video at http://cyber.law.harvard.ed… 11:07 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
The rungs on the ladder: sharing, cooperation and collective action – I thought the video of him had him talking about four? 11:07 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@egrommet ah I see. Definitely. 11:05 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to egrommet |
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The Coasean floor. Not easily twitterable, so: http://www.techliberation.c… 11:02 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@egrommet not media as educator, media as platform. While we’re still all on their sites… 10:58 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to egrommet |
The org chart story. Haven’t I read this before? In Everything is Miscellaneous perhaps? 10:55 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Thinks: finding missing persons is “outside the purview” of traditional media – but they should start providing the *tools* to do so… 10:54 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Am hoping he’s going to say something about Flickr clusters… nope. Shame. 10:49 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
From “Gather, then share” to “Share, then gather” 10:47 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Now talking about Flickr, Mermaid Parade, Jul7 bombings 10:47 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Do we have a free market discourse going on here? 10:38 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@marshallmanson – want to chip in and be added to the aggregator? 10:35 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to marshallmanson |
@markmayhew – sorry, translation: the group is more than the sum of its parts. 10:35 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to MarkMayhew |
“Self preservation of the organisation becomes job no.1” – very much my experiences of charities… 10:34 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@marshallmanson I’ll twitter as much of the book as I can! This is my way of forcing myself to read it now. 10:33 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to marshallmanson |
I forgot just how full of soundbites the Cluetrain Manifesto was… 10:30 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p28: “Sociology is not just psychology applied to groups.” 10:30 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Here Comes Everybody: Chapter 2: starts with The Birthday Paradox. I like this. http://tinyurl.com/98st2 10:27 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@adbar has found two sample chapters on Amazon. Glad you can join us. @bounder has started reviewing. 10:24 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to adbar |
End of Chaper 1. @cshirky hope you’re watching. 10:21 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
(technological determinism disclaimer) 10:21 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p23 “None of the absolute advantages of institutions … have disappeared. Instead… most of the *relative* advatages… have.” 10:20 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p20 “Tools that provide simple ways of creating groups lead to new groups, lots of new groups, and … more kinds of groups.” 10:19 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl
Costs of creating a new group of joining one have collapsed. 10:18 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
@adbar does amazon not even have a sample chapter? 10:18 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl in reply to adbar |
Eric Raymond’s plausible promise: http://tinyurl.com/38y6wd 10:14 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Can anyone find a sample chapter from Here COmes EVerybody for @adbar? 10:13 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p17 …thinking of Jerry Seinfeld’s Bee Movie… 10:13 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
p14: “That’s the world we’ve already got. The real question is, What happens next?” 10:11 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
OK, he’s tackling the inequality thing. Now I see why he’s picked this story – it’s complicated, y’see. 10:10 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
But it’s also about who can tell a story – the media literate 10:07 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
What worried me is the people who have leverage? The connected. It used to be an old boys network; now it’s a new boys network. 10:07 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
It seems to me it’s about leveraging your network and their networks 10:06 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Starts with a great story about phone theft – more here: http://www.evanwashere.com/… 10:03 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Resisting temptation to skip straight to chapters on media, on the grounds that they’ll actually probably be the least illuminating for me 10:02 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
I hate hardback books. They’re not designed to be read – they’re designed to be *kept*. And displayed. Paperbacks are so much more usable. 10:01 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
Here beginneth the Twittered review of Here Comes Everybody… 10:01 AM April 04, 2008 from twhirl |
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Thanks for the apology – following you on Friday really was no fun! I’ll read the book at some point, but probably won’t bother twittering about this or any other book in the near future. I can see that it could be useful to get feedback as you’re reading though. But what if it really took off? What if hundreds of people joined in? You’d spend all your time reading the tweets instead of the book.
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